Sus, Tren Ace, Test Prop, Mast P opinions needed
27 Years old
4th cycle
5'9" 195lbs @ 9%
I have been training since I was 12 and have been "serious" for about 5 years now.
Diet is clean and all calories are where they need to be based on my needs.
I wanted a few opinions if anyone has time on this cycle i was kinda tossing around in my head.
Sus700mg week1-10
Tren A 100mg Eod week4-10 dose is going to be side dependent
Test P 75mg between sus pins week1-10 to keep levels fairly consistent
Mast P 125mg Eod week 1-10
A buddy mentioned Dbol for the first 3-4weeks...still ifie about that as I do not prefer the bloat and it seems pointless with the mast p..if i a wrong please correct me.
PCT is on hand and ready as well as Adex on hand and ready.
Any opinions or comments are appreciated.
Thanks eroid nation!!!!
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Im confused about that comment. If the only use for DBOL was to add waterweight, then maybe I would understand.
Test P pinned in between Sust Pins? Are you dosing sust eod? Also how many mg of Test p is in your sust blend. http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/test-prop-and-counting-...
I would get the dbol and drop the tren ace. Run an AI regardless..Everybody has a sweet spot with AI'S and the only way to find out is gettin bloods. In a perfect world we could get bloods done every 2-3 weeks to see where our estro is at, but realisticly one blood test will do to help get a an Idea where to start with an AI, OR A GOOGLE SEARCH
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/estrogen-and-test
If your BF is low like you say and your AI'S are legit you wont need to worry about bloat also your diet is on point. Also, if you run the mast throught the cycle bloat will not be an issue.
The use of Dbol was only because I had it on hand. I do not know what the dosage of prop is and clearly that is something I should have researched. I was going to run the prop to keep everything as level as possible. This cycle was not at all put together as well as I had thought. I FEEL like I am somewhat knoledgeable about what I was doing but obviously this was not the case..lol. After a few opinions and hours of more research I ended up just sticking with what i know...Cyp and Eq with prop kickstarting it. I appreciate your help and the links.
zewitrue
zewiOk lucky im in a good mood today and already raged this morning. Sale the Sust would be my first thing i would do..
Choose wich one..
Cycle #1
1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ED
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EoD
1-12 Test E @ 500mg
13-15 Test P @ 100mg EoD
Arimidex .25mg e3d if nipples get sore .5mg e3d or .5mg ed..
Start PCT 3 days after last shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Cycle #2
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EoD
1-12 Test E @ 500mg
13-15 Test P @ 100mg EoD
Arimidex .25mg e3d if nipples get sore .5mg e3d or .5mg ed..
Start PCT 3 days after last shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Cycle #3
1-10 Test P @ 100mg EoD(i usally run this at 75mg i like more tren then test)
3-10 Tren A @ 100mg Eod
Arimidex .25mg e3d if nipples get sore .5mg e3d or .5mg ed..
Start PCT 3 days after last shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Cycle # 4
1-4 Test P @ 100mg EoD
1-12 Test E @ 500mg
8-15 Tren A @ 100mg EoD
13-15 Test P @ 100mg EoD
Arimidex .25mg e3d if nipples get sore .5mg e3d or .5mg ed..
Start PCT 3 days after last shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Or make 2 cycles..
1-12 Test E @ 600mg
Arimidex .25mg e3d if nipples get sore .5mg e3d or .5mg ed..
Start PCT 15 days after last shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
time off
cycle 2
1-10 Test P @ 100mg Eod
1-8 Tren A @ 100mg Eod
6-10 Mast @ 100mg Eod
Arimidex .25mg e3d if nipples get sore .5mg e3d or .5mg ed..
Start PCT 3 days after last shot
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
use adex e3d regardless if prone to gyno or not?
would 18weeks of adex be to long?
zewino. but you dont have to start it right away. Start in week 4 or 6 is fine. Or when you fill nipples a little sensitive.
cdaddy7Superstar Cycle Master
i will start week 4 as a precaution.
thanks for the info brotha!
zewiAnytime
Would HCG be a good idea?
No real issues but not at all how i would have had in the past with test.
150prop/eod week 1-4
625cyp/week week 1-16
600eq/week 1-15
I went to cycle logs to attempt to post cycle but there is no option to post it....?
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thanks!
You're options are bunk and so is your buddies ideas. You've been serious for five years so you already know its Food that makes the cycle. Not a madhup of drugs and theories. No tren. You're in the gym/juice world long enough to know better. Tren is given to cattle before slaughter....NOONE KNOWS THE LONG TERM EFFECTS.
So realistically...whats your goal. Combo ideas are bunk. You wanna get big and cut then you're looking at dry solid gains. Test/eq is that route. You wanna look like puffy wwf wrestler test/deca(dose dependant).
i have always stuck to the basics... my experience is limited outside test, deca, and Eq...this isn't a "i already bought my gear Im doing this" thing...i just want opinions from veterans.
my nutrient intake is solid and i have made great gains over the course of the past few years.
thanks for the feedback
My apologies. Lately it's been guys arguing non stop for tren without experience or diet. I applaud your doing it right! +1
1-4 prop 100eod
1-16 eq 600\split
1-16 test e/cyp 600/split
12-18 mast 100eod
16-18 prop 100eod..pct two days after last mast/prop pin
1-4prop 100eod
1-16 eq 600/split
1-18 test e/split
14-20 mast 100eod...pct two days after last mast pin
Your bf is low enough to switch mast for var....but mast is a Nice hardener
i like that first one. thanks for the guidance!!!!!
The first one is similar to what i'm running right now. I have lower doses because it works well for me. I chose masteron e for less pins but regular mast gives better daily control. Your gains should be a good solid run....and keep the gains is pct is good. Downside is long slow run. Zewis test e/prop/mast are lil quicker and shorter but eq just is a Nice combo.
i ran 700-750 cyp last cycle and it worked well for me.
I didnt get much out of test prop...not sure why but for pinning i would have thought i would gains would have been a bit better that what they were.
Maybe underdosed? Prop isn't a screaming rush. If you kick ass in the gym hard and aren't sore the next day that 100% recovery in just a day. Don't know how much better it gets. Lol
zewiyeah +1... my man Fast...
Just partial to eq. It compliments the test nicely.
Thanks bro!
zewiEq is so much better. Than all that other shit..
It's made me an eq lover. The idea of keeping your solid gains is moee appealing. If i was still needing huge mass for comps....then I'd hit wet bulk on winter.
Got aggro...pushed button twice....
zewiHow many Cycles have you done? I love TREN but IMO never run tren with Sust. Stay With TEST E or C or TEST P..
this will be my fifth. I have never ran a test blend so this is/was going to be something new to me. This would be my first time on tren.
Here we go again with a gram plus of test pr wk + d/bol = tons of test bloat then wants it cut back with tren and mast... my head is spinning with these twin bulk/cut cycles does nobody want to get big anymore and do a proper bulker then a proper cutter! seems like they want a multi purpose cycle... is it because i am a bodybuilder and these people are just tee shirt fillers or what!.
Bulk to add size.
Cut to show definition.
One or the other in my world.
My last cycle was Cyp @ 700-750 and deca @ 500.
didn't really plan on the Dbol this time around and with your reply definitely letting that sit on the shelf.
I am not a competitive bodybuilder so getting down to 5% will never be my goal; running a precontest cycle isn't really my thing...don't get me wrong bro i respect what you guysgo through to achieve what y'all do.
Perhaps drop the Sus for Cyp and drop the prop? The purpose of the prop was to keep everything level didn't take into consideration the water retention factor with a dosage like that. thanks bro...much appreciated.
We are cool brother you have a good attitude... take a look at what zewi has outlined higher up.. i am sure you will get better results with either of them.
P.S. the last one is a full blown cutter... save that till you have more size bro.
It's neverending......... Ugh. All day long its spoiled kids who won't simply eat right.
i eat pretty clean bro. i know nutrition is key. just wanted feedback on that stack a friend mentioned.
Im sure you're eating well....you just got excited with options. Time to carve it down to goals.
i don't think anyone could have said it better.
thanks
It's neverending......... Ugh. All day long its spoiled kids who won't simply eat right.