posted Sun, 07/29/2012 - 15:48
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Power lifters/strongman athletes?
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Seems like a lot of the posts are body building related. I totally dig body building so not trying to start anything at all I just wanna know more about the powerlifting strongman crowd. Same cycles? Lifting advice? Diet advice? Always looking for more info!
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I like to cycle anabolics and androgens. I have better luck with short esters. Almost completely throw your ai in the toilette as well. I go in 4 week burst 16 weeks out from a competition. I'm not going to tell you exact doses or compounds, but save the nice large androgen blast for the last 4 weeks. I only really go for prs the last week of my first androgen blast, then recover on the anabolic blast. High calories and plenty of sleep are key of course.
West side principles the only way to train
LaTTTimer99These 2 gyms are producing the world's strongest powerlifters on a regular basis. FOLLOW THEM, watch the videos. You will learn a shitload.
http://supertraining.tv/
http://www.westside-barbell.com/articles
The guy that runs excile barbell came from westside and they have 6 bench pressers going to the worlds this year The gym is in celina, Ohio
1jakd_hipyPowerlifting diet advice: Eat everything in sight. In the words of Louie Simmons "you wanna lift big? Then get big!"
I've always alternated work outs every few months from BB to PL workouts, just recently been real interested in strongman. PL has always been a problem for me because I struggle on the bench, but overhead, DL and squat by comparison are good. From the research I've read so far it seems doing a PL workout 3-4 days a week than taking one day to work the events specifically is pretty common.
I thought I replied to this but apparently not. This is what worked for me for strongman.
Training
I rotated between bb'ers routine and a strongman routine. So maybe few months doing 5x5 then move over to DC etc. This is probably not typical but I liked it and it kept things changing. Weekends was implement training and lasted hours compared to a typical gym day. Honestly I loved it. It's like a grown ups playground with all the implements.
Diet obviously is different just for the shear amount of carbs I took in. I typically took in 4-5k cals a day. I'm 6'4 and almost 300 lbs and not a fat ass 300. I like bb'ers imo should eat real food if at all possible. I supplemented with protein/gainer just when I couldn't force feed anymore. I ran EQ alot to just to increase hunger. If you do a competition bring carbs! These events take alot of time.
Cycles
Test/Tren/Anadrol where my go to's. That said I did EQ for food and maybe Im a rare one but i like the drug. Before lifts we usually did smelling salts/nose torque. Others did cheque drops but I never had a chance too.
Like I said that was my experience. It worked for me.
Now that's what I'm talkin about. Not about doing wrist curls in the squat rack. Allmost went on a rant myself glad you did bro. Are we here to shoot some juice and move some heavy weight around or are we here to do laidies arobics and pose in front of a pink mirror!
I was hoping on having an actual discussion with someone who was possibly into these styles of lifting... Some of you guys are pathetic in all homesty..... Lack of discipline..... Dumbass. I know how to lift I just got sick of posts on hair removal and pimples or dudes bragging about squatting three plates with perfect form. If you need juice to do that punch yourself in the face for being a pansy ass excuse of a man.... Little rant. Now if some one would actually like to talk about moving some real weight I will entertain a discussion
This is what I like to hear finally some spark bout moving weight
LMAO, spot on.
I think a lot of it all comes down to your goals. Strongman and powerlifting don't score you on physique or how pretty you are. However, there are plenty of strength athletes out there that prefer not to be fat. Lbstone, Pudzian, etc. are some prime examples. But then you look at guys like Big Z, who is the strongest man to ever walk the planet, and he's rather rotund. So while diet is very import (i.e. getting enough), it's not always necessary to follow any particular regime. I didn't for a long time, but have recently decided I don't like be fat, and have switched to carb cycling.
Training for strongman is unique in that your body has to adapt to so many different events. Sometimes you have 2 or 3 competitions coming up with five different events each. Some of the events take a while to learn technique, so a significant amount of time can be spent on learning them. Once you have a good base, it's easier to start focusing on movements that have a high amount of efficacy across multiple events. The one thing that is common in strongman is you need to be frequently pushing the limits on weight/reps/speed of events. I'm not saying maxing out all the time, but when I train Atlas stones for instance, I will very rarely train anything below 335. A normal day for me is to work up to my 405 stone for as many reps over whatever height I decide, e.g. 48" to 56" or more. If I had bigger stones (heh), I would definitely be working heavier.
Mobile (yoke, farmers, etc.) events are little different for me. Stick with mostly speed sets around 50%-60%. I find if I'm moving 400lb to 500 lb really freaking fast and solid, when I go for that 700-800 lb yoke, I'll be way more prepared then when I'm running heavy yoke every week.
The list goes on with events. You really need to find what works best for you though. My typical training days is almost always centered with emphasis on one or two events, e.g. Monday is Overhead Pressing (log, axle, giant DB), Wednesday is Squat/Deadlift day, Friday is speed pressing, and Saturday is for mobile events, stones, etc. Lately, I've added in cardio Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday with shoulder rehab, which I find does not interfere with pressing. But, I'm also doing more bodybuilding style training to add some mass.
Hope that helps
600 pound bench, 700 pound squat, 900 pound deadlift. No discipline. Like to see you guys walk into Westside and tell Louie Simmons he has no discipline. He would squash you like a bug!
Powerlifting - when you dont have the discipline for bodybuilding
Diet- Same as a fat truck drivers
Drugs- Same (usually more)
Training- Anything over 3 reps is too much/too hard
i dont see how u can say that im a powerlifter my diet i pretty clean
there are a lot of bodybuilders with power lifting roots ronnie coleman for instance.. i think your post is stereotyping a lot of the guys i lift with do both powerlift in the off season when there not prep for a show
HAHA...LOL...that's funny, but it is mostly true. I guess that's why most powerlifters don't like bodybuilders...discipline.
No, we dont like bodybuilders because we see them as swimsuit models. With only a few exceptions, most bodybuilders are waaaay oversized compared to their strength and its just hilarious to see a massive semipro squatting two plates and making noise (and yes I am referring to someone I know in particular, lol). Real men dont tan, shave their chests and armpits, wear speedos, oil up, or pose in the mirror admiring themselves. Also, when bodybuilders are cycling you can see a massive difference, not usually with strength athletes, the strength stays because we work for it.
I feel you on that bro which is why when I bodybuild I also lift for strength even when off cycle (the 1 I ran before I smartened up) I got stronger and when I was on cycle there where daily strenght gains lol. But I disagree it's not a point of being less of a man if you shave and wear speedos and oil up etc. it's being a different type of man. But I also agree with the comments below it really is like a friendly rivalry I'm friends with my one friend 49 whose a powerlifter at my gym and competes regularly.All I can say is who doesn't like throwing up more weight then people twice there size or half their age or double it, it's all worth it to see the look on their face...priceless;)
Yeah...I kinda made a snap comment on this. I really have no problem with powerlifters, in all honesty I used to do workouts like that...but I kept injuring myself. It's just not in my DNA to heave heavy weight all the time. I have mad respect for it though as it does take dedication and perseverance...ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
I think that is where I need to fully explain the discipline comment...as there are MULTIPLE disciplines in ALL fitness areas. It just depends on what your goals and objectives are...and also, it is what your body responds to when weight training. For me, I guess I do more of a bodybuilding approach to my workout designs, but I am NOT a bodybuilder by any means...I just do stuff like this because I get kicks out of it and it's a positive activity to get involved in, and it is a 24/7-365 "job" to take care of your body on any fitness level.
I apologize if I offended anyone, and I really didn't mean to...now let's all go and flip some tractor tires!!!! LOL!!!!
Its all good bro. Its like a friendly rivalry btwn the camps although with some of the new bodybuilding blood like Coleman the line is blurring significantly.
friendly rivalry...phew, something like that. To each their own, like I was trying to say. I really don't see what the feud is about. I guess it's just egos and masculinity abound!!! There will always be competition, and that's the way of the world. Glad we could see eye to eye on some things.
haha thats just how i see it mate ;)
I don't think the gear use is much different. Although I remember back in the 70's a big powerlifter with a big tub of d-Bol passing them out like candy, asking the guys in the gym if they needed a boost. Oh and by the way he was a cop! Lifting wise you see more parshall reps with huge weight and more chain and band work. All compound lifts. I remember I was still boxing in my teens and a guy told me if I wanted to get big lift like those guys over there.
nope lol
essentially they run some of the same compounds and a bit higher.
also run harsher orals like halotestin, high doses of adrol, and fuckin cheque drops.
but they're big on
test
tren
deca
and EQ.
diet is like a bodybuilders off season diet with more fats and cheat meals.
lifting is usually 3-4 times a week.
lots of sets and usually compound movements
mostly big lifts like bench squat deads shrugs farmers walk
standing over head press and standing onearmed dumbbell overhead press
pull ups
tire flips
and its more of a build up im weight till you get to your heavyest weight and do as many reps as possible
for a lot of sets
in the gym for hours
that's just an example to give you an idea.
also they just eat so much lol
look up Derek poundstone on YouTube. that's generally a
Strongman lifting style.
Thank you for a response with some actual meaning. Those others pissedmme off so fucking much I had to go flip a tire.