posted Sat, 06/02/2012 - 03:13
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Cant sleep on hgh
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Since i started running GH a few weeks ago, when i fall asleep i sleep very very deep, deeper then i ever have, but its only for a few hours then i wake up and i am just up and down the rest of the night usually from like 2 or 3 am on.. has anyone else had issues like this, i am now running 4iu morn and 4iu around 5pm... could it be because the 5pm dose is too close to bed time? any help would be appriciated
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I would adjust that 5pm dose to something like 1-2 pm or PWO instead and not so close to bed time.
Try melatonin my friend...works like a charm...at least for me
ZMA, or taking straight magnesium citrate helps a lot too
arnolds "iron sleep" 2 scoops work well too
i have sleep apnea and always wake up 4 or 5 times throughout the night. but these products help me get back to sleep faster
What in the heck! It's a 5 year old thread! Doing stupid shit like this is not going to work in your favour...
lol omg
i didnt realize. i just went to the eroids search and typed in gh and sleep and this thread came up
thanks so much for letting me know. im a friggin newb lol
The problem is relatively what tread-m is talking about your REM sleep. But whats happening is during your REM sleep more than likely your having sleep apnea and waking up. It takes a normal human about 2 1/2 hrs after they go to sleep to hit they're first REM cycle and this cycle is different in physiologically than the other 4 because your brain stem is taking over your bodly functions and your muscles are basically paralyzed allowing your body to rest, but with alot of people especially your size eastcoast what happens is they will have REM related apnea. When they hit they're first cycle they stop breathing frequently because neck muscles relax and airway relaxes and colapses frequently. You should have anywhere from 5 or 6 REM cycles per night on average every 2 hrs or so. What happening when you stop breathing your oxygen level drops and this is picked up by the cardiopulmonary system which releases peptides that is like a diaretic that affects your kidneys and you get up and piss. When your oxygen level is low your heart rate is up which causes multiple effects, one is piss and another is high blood pressure.If your snoring loud enough that it bothers someone theres good chance you have it. Waking up with morning headache is do to low oxygen from apnea but everyone doesn't have this symptom only about 30% of people with apnea. Other symptoms to indicate apnea, fragmented sleep, high blood pressure, excessive daytime sleepiness, morning dry mouth from breathing through your mouth and sucking the paint off the walls another one is if your nexk is 17" or bigger which is alot of the mofo's I'm sure. LOL. If you are having this much difficulty and exhibit most of the symptoms the best thing to do is get your physician to have a sleep study done ASAP and if you have apnea you will have to wear a CPAP machine everynight when you go to bed, but you want stop breathing and you'll sleep like a champ!
wow thanks alot for the info... whats funny actually since i started gh my wife tells me i have been snoreing bad, i dont know why its been more noticeable since i started but i bet your right and thats part of my problem, thanks
get'r checked our bro. Glad I could help. It may or maynot be the culprit of your sleep problem, but its better to be safer than sorry. I imagen alot of guys have apnea and never consider having it, always thinking its the Tren, HGH, etc.. And if you aren't sleep'n good you aren't growing good either my friend.
i did post earlier about how i would wake up a lot after i feel a sleep but know just tired even after trying diff injection protocols.
i wish i had your problem i have the opposite. hgh makes me so tired all the time i can sleep anywhere anytime i hate it. i started out with hyges a few months ago now i use american nutropin aq and got norditropin 5mg pens. so i know i am running real hgh. i do 6ius a day was on 8. even just after 3iu shot about a hr later i am ready to pass out
maybe since your useing nutropin , maybe being around just 2iu would be ok and not make you tired...i hear thats very potent gh
I just finished the nutropin now using norditropin pen and really there is not much difference. there both good but I might drop down to 3 ius and every month go up 1 iu until I get to 6 again. Cause being tired all the time sucks lol.
give it a try, i would run 1 iu if it worked well for me you know.. its good gh you have so maybe running it at 2 or even 3 will give you what your looking for from it without making you tired
AnonThe first few weeks it will do that with the lack of sleep, yet feeling pretty refreshed. After a month or two that goes away, I would wake up like clock work at 3:30 every morning. I take it right before I go to bed which is about 10, and I sleep till 6:30 which is a half hour before my alarm goes off. still feel great and even deeper sleep. On a side note drinking water before bed might not be a good idea either cause you will wake up more freq.
Try some melatonin before bed start at 1mg up to 3mg. Natural sleep hormone which your body also produces so no nasty hangover and drowsiness the next day.
Count backwards from 300 :-)
This issue has gotten worse for me, i goto bed at 9 or 10pm and i am up by 1am , then i am up and down every half hour till 3am till i finally say fuck it and i just stay up and watch tv until i goto work, . the sleep i do get from 10pm-1am is deep i dont hear a thing i am just out, but after that i feel like i am going crazy bec i cant sleep, its extremely frustrating
I-Omegalower your dose. I started at 6iu's a day and felt this way, the sleep i was getting was quality sleep and i didn't feel tired at all during the day, just was bored as hell because i couldn't sleep.
try cutting the dose in half and see how you feel.
CleyonWhy not throw in a EARLY morning workout? Do some stretching or cardio? I'd love to have a few more hours in my day. If I didn't feel tired due to it I'd see it as a blessing.
i have the same problem sometimes the hgh makes me real tired but then i only sleep for a few hours and i wake up. but when i sleep it is a real deep sleep like you said. i have crazy dreams too i thinks that what wakes me up. but i have a script for ativan cause i got mild anxiety i take that if i wake up and i am fine. but i been doing something different on injection times i am going to start a new thread on it to get opinions. i workout in the morning so i been doing 1 big dose pre workout and having good results and no trouble at night anymore.
How has your fat loss been doing it this way? what is your dose?
I am doing 8 ius a day. Been on for a couple months and just started pre workout so have not noticed a diff yet.
im using 6ius a day and doing fasted cardio in the morning and i am sweaty all day. it really helps my body get into fat burning mode without a doubt. i am always damn sweaty.
southernmuscle615Okay it's definitely..well probably the Tren..it is a gift and a curse... it becomes impossible to sleep , but you get amazing results..but also kind've what tread said..with all the androgens.. your body is in more of an adrenaline state or fight or flight state..i really dont think it's the hgh..you could always try some melatonin until you cycle off..too bad theres now more GHB..man i wish i could get my hands on that..
i dont think its the tren, this kinda just has a different feel to it, i think its def the gh... i would kill to be able to still get ghb, man i miss it
what other compounds are you running concurrently?
Test prop, tren ace, masteron
awesome!
i am using the same combo just the enanthates
how were your results?
how many calories?
tread-mI'm with perses here and would add a few things. First being we are all different so anything I say applies maybe to most but that does not mean you fall into the most category. I have found I have a tough time sleeping in general if taking mine too late in the day . If your hgh is good quality you have to kinda think about what you are doing in the 8 iu range. The axis balances 2 hormones bsasically and then of course there is positive and negative feedback in a domino effect througout the whole hormone chain. So the axis is balancing test and growth and if an abundance of both are available then your metabolic rate is getting higher and higher. Basically you are becoming this fat burning machine again as many of us were as teens and thats a pretty cool thing . What I tend to think, as I kinda do the same thing here, is that my body is gettijg to deep REM sleep much faster than the average Joe and in turn I simply require less sleep. Much of our sleep period is not actual "rest". which is what the body is trying to achieve, much of it is trying to get to REM sleep where the body actually can rest. So if you are in a situation where you achieve REM 30 minutes into sleep and joe achieves it 4 hrs into sleep you may find you need half the sleep of Joe.. this is my only theory on it that makes sense to me. I may not get even mildly tired until 2 AM and fall asleep and sleep like bricks such as last night, then be awake before 8 as fresh as can be. So while many would argue I didn't get enough sleep they really are not taking into account the depth of my "personal" sleep. If I didn't hit REM for 4 hrs it was far too little , but if I hit REM much much sooner I may have had plenty. Hard to say alk guess work here so I think more is better if you can but if your body is telling you its fresh and revived and you perform your tasks well all day, not groggy, sharp etc then I'd say you are doing fine. If you find yourself tired, day dreaming and unable to function and achieve as well as you know you can, you have to act and try to fix that. I try to even take my prop hits so I'm not peaked at sleep time but truth is I'm probably always peaked! Lol
Makes alot of sense tread, and i am pretty fresh all day in spite of the lesser hours of sleep.. so i guess its ok, just frustraing at 3am when you want to sleep bec you have work in a few hours.... Were you saying you think i should back down from 8iu a day??