hemo rage tastes like ass compared to jack3d good stuff though, fast twitch sucks, nanovapor too big of scoops unsettling feeling in my stomache and the shits, my brother likes muscle marinade. I personally have cut pre-workout shakes out for now, Ill get a rockstar recovery once in awhile preworkout cuz its only 20 calories. It sounds like you have a high tolerance to caffeine. If you were to cut all the caffeine out for a few weeks and then start taking jack3d or something the effects would be greater. It's proven that caffeine loses its effectiveness after extended use.

3 scoops of Jack3d chased by a Rockstar Xdurance and I'm good to go.

However, a couple of weeks ago I started drinking billy goat piss as my pre-workout drink.
There is a goat farm down the road from my house, and I have been having the dude collect piss from his big ass Billy goat. I take that piss divide it into 5 ounce servings, chill it and drink that shit fast. Damn it tastes horrible but for some reason it wakes my ass up and gives me some serious drive. I get this tingly feeing that runs down the back of my ass, my mind gets into this super focus mode, muscles start twitching, and I take off. Holy shit if you haven't ever drank Billy Goat piss you don't know what you are missing.

one scoop of bullknox mixed with one scoop of neurocore. or friction if you're a caffein junkie

Alarm blows jack3d out the water!!! I'm telling you. I've been using jack for 3 years Nd have tried everything and keep going back to jack but alarm is the best. It's a little more expensive but worth it

Gasparis superpump max is some potent stuff , I couldn't sleep after taking it.

hemo with the ingite pills are unreal dude, try that off lowcost i believe

I've been using C4 Extreme and love it so far. The Blue Raspberry tastes like a a snow cone. For real. Huge pumps too. The hair on my neck tingles if I take too much at one time.

one scoop of "cardio igniter" and 2 scoops of "amino energy" does it for me.