posted Sat, 11/26/2011 - 06:08
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UGL vs "legit pharma"
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UGL often one guy controlling all conversion of powders to oils. Little chance for quality control slipping over a slacker. Even the UGL's are now getting pretty labels and flip off tops(like 90% of us give a fuck).
Knock on wood I've NOT had bad UGL, some under dosed but nothing I had to filter before I could pin. Even had some cloudy with sediment and ran that shit and it was good hot shit!!
Not here to bash the big guys but between PIP and debris the "legit's" have let me down. Not to mention their labels are crooked sometimes too(give me a fucking break please).
Just do your homework and accept you are always taking a chance with AAS.
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FrankieReal legit pharma grade is fda and gmp standard passed and alot better/cleaner/safer than any ugl , if there were 10ml amps of norma test and a 10ml vial of ugl test e 250 on the table to choice its a total and utter no brainer on what one would be taken
Anonif you want more in depth information between ugl vs pharma grade go to
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/steroids-ugl-versus-pha...
this topic was dealt with...avoid opening always new thread for the same topic
This dude should have been practices the same priciples and not been running multiple accounts!
Good job.
I cant take credit cause I didnt catch him, one of the other MODS did, but I disliked him just as much.
If he had 2 accounts, I'm guessing he also had a 3rd and a 4th.
Even if he didn't, he'll probably create a new one in no time.
I didn't even realize that every topic he posted had the helpful checked, im gonna start keeping my eye out for that
To be honest man, some good sources here offer pharm grade for so cheap there is no reason you'd even have to consider UGL test.
If you are talking about other compounds though, then of course you'll have to take your pick amongst UGLs and hope you don't get a shitty batch.
I have been doing this for quite some time now and sadly i have given up on HG. The amount of counterfeits i have come across is ridicules.
Yeah man, I am always the one on here advocating for people to be cautious when buying off the net. If you want some legit HG check out where mods or experienced users are buying.
But then there are people like Epyco who are damn fixed on the idea that there aren't many HG counterfeits because according to him it wouldn't be profitable faking 1ml amps.
AnonIf I consider the prices of many pharma grade company it will be worthless to counterfeit a product so cheap. As an example let's consider testosterone enanthate Geofman that costs only 2 euro per amp on the net. It would be stupid to fake. Anyway my personal experience says that whenever I bought amps instead of vials they were always legit...is it a a coincidence ? I don't know but I think that it could be safer to buy pharma grade company than UGL multi dose vials.
AnonEvery time I replied to you I replied with FACTs...I am still waiting your FACTs...if you have some doubts I explained very well how to run a business but I think that you do not have economic knowledge because never replied to my post...anyway read carefully all my threads because I talk about facts, facts, and only facts...
p.s. in my post I have never talked about HGH so do not say something I have never talked about...thanks
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkHG = human grade = pharma grade. This has nothing to do with HGH.
My economic knowledge is sufficient, thanks. I have a degree in economics, actually.
What you stated weren't facts, just some opinion you formed by reading the website of some lab.
FACT is, I've had fake HG that had no hormone in it. FACT is a friend of mine bought amps from a turkish pharmacy that did not have hormone in it. FACT is there have been amps found to be containing deca-like substances.
Just because YOU think it is expensive and unprofitable to counterfeit pharma gear does not mean it is not being done.
Test powder costs around $800 - $1000 per kg. You can fill so many ampoules with that it makes me dizzy even thinking about it. Although it may be relatively expensive producing those amps, the margins made from counterfeiting them and selling them are still sufficient.
If you can't realise this then probably you are the one with lacking economic knowledge.
Consider yourself lucky if you have never come across a fake 1ml amp. Other people have.
AnonFACTS means: have you posted the lab results ? Do you have the analysis of the famous turkish amp that was fake ?
And above all why UGL's produces only 10ml multi dose and not 1ml amp...??? tell me ???
p.s. to have an economic degree you should know better than me what means start-up costs, Break-even point and venture capital...because this is what I explained to you in my last reply in another thread ? Do you remember ?
I have had lab results done, yes. Obviously I have kept neither the results nor the gear in question. I would be stupid to have lab results lying around at home.
I agree with you that start-up costs are relatively high, nevertheless if you can move product well then break-even can be hit rather quickly. And considering the amount of money to be made, most counterfeiters are there to stay.
They make money off clueless people roaming the net and buying their gear online. That is why you have sites like these to filter out scammers and those that sell illegitimate product.
UGLs produce in 10ml vials because there would be no advantage for them to produce in amps. They are not trying to resemble HG test, so why should they spend more?
AnonYou spot on...Since Ugl's do not have advantage to produce in 1ml amps,(since it would be worthless), I can assume that:
if no ugl manifactures in 1ml amp because it will be worthless tell me who could be the private investor that has a lot of money in form of venture capital to be starting a new business of fake steroids knowing that he should buy expensive equipment and producing fake gear in 1ml amps ?
Moreover he would have made an in depth market analysis to know the possible profit. However the business is illegal and he could be arrested...
Since you have studied economy you know that the break-even point of an inflated market (there are thousands of websites that sell illegal products)has a negative trend that is it becames uneconomic to start a new business because the fixed costs are higher than profit margin.
Maybe I guess to have you shown to get some economic notion don't I? Don't you ask why?
So at this point since you know economic and have studied statistics tell me what are the percentages of fake products in 1ml amp and in 10ml multi dose vials...because I think that 90% of fakes statistically are in multi dose.
To put this post to an end. I do not want to persuade you on anything but I can't accept gossip. I want facts it means clue, hints... when you have one I will be here to admit I was wrong.
Anontrue,, i have,, cant remember the pharma,, but it was missing a stripe where you break the amp..........
Anonwaw...And this is the smoking gun that it was fake ??? come on we need fact not gossip...
I don't think I understand, are you saying that there are no counterfeit amps? I don't think anyone her would argue with you that vials are more easily made. It's obvious vials are cheaper and easier to manufacture than amps, but to say there are no counterfeit amps is a huge mistake.
Anonbro this topic was debated in another thread I mentioned above ...if you have some doubts please go there...thanks.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkThat kind of thinking is dangerous. A few years ago i purchsed some norma amps and those turned out to be counterfeits. They are out there, not as much as vials but they are there.
Its also important to note that around 90% of HG out there is counterfeit. Its getting much more difficult to get the reall deal. Have you seen some of these counterfeits? some are near perfect replics.
Anonbut were the contents good clean potent juice,
Shit bro call me paranoid but the minute i confirmed they were counterfeits off to the garbage they went. Id rather run a well known ugl then a known counterfeit.