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Being it's one of the strongest most toxic orals ever. Do benefits out shine the sides? How long one would typically run this compound at what doses? Would you only run on peak weeks or heavy demanding days. Thinking about adding Into my powerlifting cycle but no solid Info on the web as far as actual cycles doses and experience on the compound.
Any actual experience of the compound please shead some light If it's even worth trying as far as strength gains go.
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Mtren is different than tren in terms of results it produces. Mtren i consider a finishing compound ran for last 2-3 wks of precomp cycle. Like some other steroids it is pretty much a one trick pony. It's best use is as a hardener to top the physique off. Maybe it works as a strength booster, but I never experienced anything like that from it. It is not something you are going to get tren-like results from using. Risks far outweigh the benefits of this compound for 99% of the people who want to use it. The injectable mtren is far superior to the oral. I wouldn't even touch the oral. Even the injectable ran for just a couple of weeks will put you on the list for a liver transplant, which is why any casual gym rat looking to use it is just plain foolish.
As far as I see it; it cannot be considered as a tren. Its extremely resistant to being metabolised by the body, apparently, which is why it is so hepatoxic. The problem here, is that it has such a high binding affinity for the androgen receptor that very little is actually needed for it to work. Far less is actually needed by the body than is taken by users. With this in mind; every time someone follows a stereotypical bro-cycle, they are overdosing with the most liver destroying AAS in history. Even at tiny active doses it has extremely sever effects.
So that's one thing.
The second and perhaps more important thing is how it is metabolised... does it's active metabolites effect the brain the same way as tren? If yes, then only a fool would use this stuff, brain damage and amyloid plaques are not cool.
If no...... and the metabolites are their own thing and non-neuro-destructive, then careful monitoring and consideration could see its use on a short duration cycle. Long duration is a definite no-no.
I tried to find out about the metabolites, but couldn't. Didn't spend much time on it, busy. BUT, if you seriously want to use this crap, then you gotta find out about it's metabolites; i.e. will they cause you brain damage, cognitive decline, and amyloid plaque build-up? Have you gotten a dna check done to see if you are pre-disposed to Alzheiner's disease? (if yes, never risk this without knowing about it's metabolites). Do you have a history of logging your bloods to see how AAS effects your organs and how long to recover.
If you dont have this/get this info, then you would be foolish to use this compound blindly.
Guarantees: Severe liver damage, not just leaking enzymes, but bile issues and ducts blocked etc. Also guaranteed is severe CV effect; flipped lipids, increased LDL and perhaps the small LDL particles that lead to CV plaque buildup.
Worries: Gotta worry about potential for Brain Damage at the frontal cortex and possible amyloid plaque buildup which will quicken the onset of Alzheimer's in those who are destined to get it, may induce it for those with a predisposition, and will slow the bodily clearance in general pop leading to cognitive decline as the brain starves from lower glucose supplies.
Question: Why not just use a relatively safe strength promoter such as anadrol which is much less hepatoxic, safe (relatively speaking) at higher doses than most bro's know about and so on.
I love reading your stuff mate really interesting and informative I would say 99% of the time! Great contribution as always!
Thanks for the input man, great read.
Really enjoyed reading that, great contribution bro
Cheers big man, hope you're doing well pal
Appreciate the info brother! Pretty much knew most of this but glad you're looking out. Was more or so looking for people who've ran the compound and what they thought of it. So far not looking like anything special. Again thanks for looking out!
Hey man, did you end up getting any Mtren in the end?
Keep us update on what you decide man, would love to know which way you go with it in the end
Will do brother! Thanks for all the info you posted up in here!
Because some people can't tolerate the sides that anadrol brings mate, such as myself otherwise I would run it. I simply cannot train on the lethargy, massive increase in blood pressure and headaches that it brings. The increase in hemocrit levels is hardly healthy either..
jayiskwhen did Tren A become the worse drug in the world?
look at prednisone corticosteroid which i have to take currently for bronchitis. there are a ton of big pharma drugs with much more sides. just examples not a debate.
i understand the idea behind educating people on the dangers of tren.
but it seems it went from a favorite for moderate to advanced users to its a killer drug.
most people love tren a but once they cant handle the sides they claim its too dangerous.
i've run tren e, m tren, and ran tren a for the 1st time a few months back. labs after each came back fine.
tren a was great in terms of its effects. but i already have insomnia. that was the one side that i finally stopped the tren a on but it was time anyway since i was about 10 wks on.
i will run tren a again until i cant deal with the insomnia. and have bloods taken again.
this isnt a reply intended for debate or to say tren doesnt have risks.., like any drug. but i just find the rapid switch on the opinion of this drug strange. again besides the evidence that has posted on its dangers the rest of the replies seem to be people that liked tren but cant handle the sides. IMO
absolutely agree with you 100% p. 100%. if you get hit by it, walk away, dont go back. every time.
if OP is like you he should look to other options. even dbol pales in comparison to mythyl tren but has a great strength profile.
out of interest, do you get the same with dbol? completely different drug of course. Personally I cannot handle much dbol anymore for the same reasons as you with adrol, but adrol i can eat all day long.
jayiskI'm the opposite i love and tolerate dbol great. i hate adrol.., and i cant see how someone would label adrol a mildly toxic drug?
as my exp. posted on m-tren, yes i agree there are better alternatives. and for me it did not live up to the hype.
yeah i used be like that too. But something in re cent years has changed for me. used love dbol, but now it is fatigue and acid reflux. thought it was fillers but happened in 3 brands of dbol. It is no loss to me though as it doesnt build muscle.
mildly hepatoxic. Well, you only have to read a little about it to learn what it is/does and what it isnt/doesnt do. The place to do that is in the hundreds of studies and the various clinical trials of anadrol where they measure these things. In the past 15 years alone (recent studies) they have trialled anadrol at doses of 50, 100 and 150 mg per day for up to 24 weeks straight! Each trial showed similar levels of hepatoxicity, barely above upper limits with all values returning to base line after 1 month. There are even dose recommendations in some trials on how to run anadrol best with the lowest rate of elevation of enzymes values (from baseline). It helps to understand the jargon in these publications too.
Hi mate,
Do you have any links to some of these studies bud?
It may or may not be massively toxic to the liver mate, and enzyme levels will eventually return to normal but just think what that stuff does to the heart and kidneys etc when your BP shoots through the roof as soon as you take the damn things. I've never run anything that shoots up blood pressure so hard and fast as anadrol does. Thats why you get all the powerlifters with the exploding noses etc and even bleeding eye sockets from the pressure increases.
Hi mate
Wasn't enquiring because I want to try them again.... NEVER AGAIN WILL I USE THEM!
Just like reading the studies gdap puts up. I used some before.......I Had nose bleeds on my 2nd run (4th week with a 2 week gap) scared the shit out of me
jayiskMakes sense on the adrol. I should have worded that better. At the time side effects just came to my mind. thanks for the clarification.
yeah some people get hammered by them, others dont. studies show that too. usually round 10=20%.
the study on kids at 150mg for a year was crazy
Risk>reward
I'd prefer an injectable version of Trenbolone instead cause I had already heavy sides like high liver amounts and horrible sweating at 750mcg daily (powo).
I have never run the oral version myself as the risks outweigh the rewards in my mind. Also a former gym rat buddy of mine hopped on the oral and it seemed like he developed gyno literally overnight.
Not worth the liver toxcitiy nor the man-boobies in my eye
Dose max orally is I believe 500 mpg/day. Cycle is short or risks become too great. If you look around there is an injectable version of it, but may be hard to find. On the injectable there is only one pass to the liver so dose can be higher. I wouldn't exceed 1000 mcg/day, but some do.
Appreciate the feedback brother.
I’ve ran it. I’ve ran tren base injectable too. Everyone’s body reacts differently from tren, and every tren cycle is different. As I’ve gotten older I only run one tren cycle every so often, just can’t sleep and get hot flashes after meals. Tren flattens me out while on it. Oral tren never bothered me for the 3-4 weeks I ran it, but I don’t push the dose to high, I kept it @500mcg for strictly PwO. It also makes your sweat smell funky! If your dead set on it, post your stats on here, otherwise your going to get asked at some point.
jayisk" post your stats on here"
why? just click on his avatar to find that..,someone should be more interested in his gear and training exp. which you can easily see by his posts and logs that he has exp.
It’s just a common curtesy to post stats and prior experiences. Not a big deal.
jayiskunderstandable
Appreciate the feedback man. Not dead set just seeing if it would even be worth it vs adding in a simple oral so far doesn't seem to appeal to me as much with the feed back I've received so far
I used it and still occasionally but rarely, not necessarily over several days, what I find interesting is that it is both androgenic and anabolic, so you benefit from a gain in aggression and more anabolism. I do not find it excessively toxic to the liver, but you have to be careful. For me, the one I used for now and I found the strongest is the injectable Tren without ester (Androxine) from Alpha Pharma, it made me cry (serious) me eyes. Personally I think Tren is not a good compound because of the side.
jayiskOP is referring to feedback on oral..,methyl tren exp. Which is different from Tren no ester.
Also what side made you cry from tren no ester?
Sorry for my bad English, I know it's for oral tren however I thought he was looking for something strong, so I suggested maybe he can try the injectable Tren no ester ... I know both, I have used both, and I believe the injectable option is a better alternative. After a while I had problem with my eyes, it was like crying after injection and I even had a styes (?) I suspect it was related to Tren usage.
I've often wondered about it also, but from what I've heard it pretty much just behaves like normal Tren ace etc but with heavy liver strain and often stomach issues. But I have been told on a few occasions people have got quick overnight strength from it - I guess its like all compounds that you just have to go on personal experience and try it out for yourself ultimately. Any compound thats great for strength always seems to come with heavy sides unfortunately..
jayiskran oral tren in pill and liquid form several times. its not the most toxic oral. trick is finding the sweet spot. which for me was 750mcg a day. which i ran for about 4 wks.
Tren A is honestly stronger in all aspects compared to mtren..
didnt have any tren sides with the oral version though.
funny thing is i'm sure you seen the one PWO that besides 3 other highly toxic steroids in it..., also has 3 mls of m-tren in it.
now mind you in a cycle i used 750 mcg..., pwo inject with 3 mls .., WTF
if you do run it run it peaking but obv. it would be wise to then run it as your only oral in the cycle. stronger stuff out IMO>
Would you say it's worth running or just up the Tren? And yeah I saw it. Heard it was trash too! Those doses would definitely make you puke some blood or put you in the hospital
jayiskif you can handle tren a and are looking for strength than i would say work up on the tren a dose.
M-tren i wasnt that impressed with it. and i've run dif. src's so i know it was not a product issue.
People seem to like halo-test peaking .., but i only ran it once and think it was bunk.
I'll have to give halo another chance one day.
there is even a src with injectable mtren 3mg/1ml. dont know if you run it that high then maybe it will work better that tren a but that is way too toxic at that dosage.
Personally I would never run it bro, heard bad things about it
I would stay away from it all together mate really not worth the risks. If you are going to do tren just pin it! Negatives 100% out weigh the positives. I have a friend who ran it and his organs took an absolute beating!! Still on medication to this day to keep everything functioning correctly.
Damn that bad huh I'd say that's pretty bad side lol appreciate the input brother