FIRST CYCLE HELP NEEDED
Hello everyone,
I've been working out consistently for the past five years and have maintained a consistent diet. I'm 5'7, 25, and 130lbs. I've done a bit of research—both here and on other bodybuilding forums—but I haven't seen anyone running the exact cycle I'm considering.
Goals:
- Maximize muscle growth
- Improve skin quality and elasticity
- Reduce joint pain
- Enhance hair growth and textures
Cycle: 8–10 Weeks:
- Testosterone Enanthate – 500mg/week (split into two injections: Monday & Friday)
- Aromasin (AI) – 12.5mg every other day
- HGH – 6 IU/day (split into two injections)
- IGF-1 LR3 – 25mcg daily (pre- or post-workout)
- Anavar – 50mg/day (taken pre-workout)
- HCG – 250 IU eod
- Glow Stack (50/10/10 blend):
GHK-Cu – 50mg
BPC-157 – 10mg
TB-500 - 10mg
Supplements:
Zinc – 50mg/day
TUDCA – 500mg/day
Fish Oil – 2000mg/day
Magnesium Glycinate – 300–400mg/day
Creatine Monohydrate – 5g/day
PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) – 4 Weeks:
Clomid: 40mg/day, working down to 20mg in the final 2 weeks
Nolvadex: 40mg/day, working down to 20mg in the final 2 weeks
This might be a dumb question, but—would it make sense to add Halotestin, Primobolan, or Masteron to this cycle? Or is that just too much?
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Hi,
I'm looking to make more out of the incredibly hard work I'm doing in the gym and with nutrition.
But I haven't yet got the guts to inject myself with anything.
Can anyone please outline for me an ORAL first cycle for a 50yo male (me) who trains 4-6 times per week, eats healthily (c.1,700kcal / 150gms protein - per day) and wants to put a toe in these waters without fcuking up my health.
Very aware that I sound naive - I am. This is why I'm reaching out.
Any pointers greatfully received.
Thank you,
Simon
Orals are BAD for you. gonna need to grow some balls and be willing to pin yourself.
Before you do ANYTHING need to get your blood work done. Esp at your age.
Also your calories seem to indicate a cut. hard to tell though unless your metabolism is low or you're very skinny already. Gonna need to get a diet dialed in for growth if that's what you're trying to do.
But bloods first. And then diet and training, and THEN if everything checks out gear. Injectable gear.
The primobolan might be too much.
So is all that other stuff. Just run test with an ai and proper pct. It doesn’t seem like you did your research very well.
I’ve never heard of any one running all of that together.
Yeah bro, that’s way too much for a first cycle. You’re trying to go from natty to mutant in one jump. Test E at 300-500mg/wk alone is plenty to grow like crazy your first time. Maybe toss in Anavar at 30–40mg/day if you're feeling ballsy, but that’s it.
All that HGH, IGF-1, peptides, HCG, Save it. You won’t even know what’s working, and your bloods will look like a chemistry lab exploded.
Simple first cycle:
Test E 500mg/wk (split Mon/Thurs) and if its 300mg test do 150mg (M/W/F)
Aromasin 12.5mg E3D (adjust by bloods/symptoms)
Optional: Anavar 30mg/day (weeks 4–10)
PCT: Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid
That’s how you grow, learn, and not wreck yourself.
Eat clean and its all you ever need. All the other stuff IMO is pointless. Truthfully the only thing really anyone needs is the good old Test E or C at 500mg a week and a good diet. Easy tried and true.
So many things for first cycle. you need to gain weight naturally first. You can easily put 25-40 lbs naturally. You need tons of food man.
5’7” @130lbs you don’t need gear you need food! Muscle is not made of gear but rather protein. You need at least 150 gram of protein every day. That’s 5 meals of at least 30+ grams of protein + carbs that support your energy output. This will get u to 150lbs in a couple of months. Jeeeezzzz just eat, Eat, EAT for crying out loud!!!! If u add gear later, then you have to eat even more protein 1 gram of protein/lb of targeted lean body weight.
Everything about this cycle seems off, mainly because of your weight and structure. You’re 130lbs after 5 years of training … that tells me there are bigger issues to fix before gear.
First cycle won’t mutate you. It’s about learning how your body reacts to exogenous test … both the good and the bad. That alone is a game-changer.
You don’t need 5+ compounds to “see how it goes.” You need one.
Run Test E only. Keep the AI on hand, get bloods before, mid, and after, and know what your plan is after: PCT? Blast and cruise? TRT? This isn’t just a “cycle” it’s a lifelong decision. Most people who start, never stop.
And if your mindset isn’t solid yet physically and mentally … this can wreck you.
Slow down, stay smart, and build the foundation first.
Good luck, brother.
wtf lol. You’ve 130lbs which means you’re literally been doing everything wrong. Steroids and peptides won’t fix that. That’s the big misconception, it’s this magic thing that gets you jacked when everything else is fucked.
You need food, not gear. And probably a better workout routine. You should have no problem hitting a relatively lean 160lbs naturally. You should have already done that. Didn’t even need to take 5 years. You need to be capable of gaining muscle naturally before you add steroids. If not then you’re just harming your body for minimal gain.
Id recommend you post your diet and training routine. Get that squared away first then the cycle. Which will be way less shit than you got here. The more I read this the more I think You’re just trolling. It’s such an incredibly stupid cycle for anyone let alone a first timer.
AbsAt50KGOkay so clean bulk and fix training routine which I can find on here or other BB forums. I have a question though, i’ve went on other forums including this one and have been wondering what makes my cycle so “incredibly stupid?” is it the excess amount of gear im using? The dosages, supplements, PCT? I can explain to you why i’m using each one but in a world where I did all of the stuff you said to do (bulk, fix training routine), what makes the cycle so bad? I’ve went on chatGPT and the most major risk they told me to watch for was the introduction to the amount of gear im taking so suddenly?
What makes it stupid is test E for only 8-10 weeks, GH for only 8-10 weeks, 8-10 weeks of anavar is too long. Anavar on a bulk is stupid. I don’t even know how you would dose clomid at 40mg a day considering it only comes in 50mg pills or where you got that dosage from. It’s way too much shit for a first cycle. Completely unnecessary. You’ll have no idea which of the 10 drugs are causing side effects because you’ve never ran any of them before. 2 minutes of research on a first cycle would have quickly showed you the standard, and it’s the standard for a reason, it works great, has minimal side effects and introduces you to a single drug. You won’t gain more by adding more shit, it doesn’t work like that. First cycle is always test E or C somewhere between 300-500mg a week for 12 weeks followed by nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50 starting 2 weeks after the last shot. Plus an AI if necessary based on your blood work or if symptoms arise, and HCG if you wish to include it.
Chat GBT is useful for some things but not this. It’s retarded when it comes to many questions. .
You need a base of muscle before gear. It takes time to dial in your diet and training to ensure your time spent on harmful steroids is actually worthwhile. It’s trial and error. I would recommend you spent a year training naturally and actually gaining. There’s no reason you couldn’t get up to 150lbs naturally over the next year, once your diet is squared away. Then run a cycle.
Here you go. test c 500 gr a week for 16 weeks. Keep asin or adex ready and use them only if you have high e2 sides. After 16 weeks, wait 2 weeks and start Nolvadex only pct, 20 mg a day for 6 weeks.
Add HCG if you want to keep your balls full. 250 iu eod. When you ended your cycle after 16 weeks, keep taking HCG but drop it a week before pct.
Hgh you can add. Small dose AM only. You’re young, you produce your own high enough when you sleep. It’s not tied to your cycle or pct. You can keep it for a while. 2-2.5 iu ed is good for you.
Drop everything else. No anavar! And others.
Supplements; fish oil, vitamin c,d,e. Zinc, magnesium gly.
For security reasons you can keep raloxifen in case you develop gyno. Don’t use it if you didn’t.
AbsAt50KGThanks! So HGH, Test C, HCG, and asin on hand for any e2 sides, yeah I do have to admit 6iu of GH will definitely give me organ enlargement so i’ll lower the dose.
Don’t add an oral roid or second gear on your first cycle. Also buy ashwagandha for after cycle because you might feel low libido when you drop the test. You can even keep cialis for after cycle on hand. When you dropped test, if erection disfunction and/or low libido bothers you, take a 10 mg cialis a day for that period. Won’t take long.
So your cycle is test+hcg, hgh not tied to cycle but included
Pct is Nolvadex only
Just in case you have an AI (asin or adex), raloxifen and cialis.
That’s it. Don’t cycle less than 16 weeks, don’t add more than one compound which is test c only for the first one.
Ranger3252I’ll help you out my friend, 500 mg of test E a week, 250 mg twice a week. Keep some Aromasin on hand if your E2 levels get elevated. PCT after 10 weeks. Should not have to touch another compound on your first cycle and at such a young age. Once you go down this road at 25 years old there is no turning back. You’re trying to take way too much shit with zero experience. You don’t even know how your body will react to testosterone alone let alone to everything you want to put in your body.
In your opinion, is starting out at 500/wk on the high side? honest question. Have never done a cycle myself. Not yet anyways. But 200/wk test cyp has had a PROFOUND effect for me.
Yeah dude it is on the high side for a first timer. Really 200 test a week will show results especially for young people. I currently do 450 a week and my test level is almost 3000.
Holy shit. That's awesome . How you feeling running that hot? Do you run that year round?
No I do cycles so 3 months on 3 months off I break it up to two pins a week. I feel great and i see massive changes with muscle tone, although my Hematocrit gets high so I just donate blood to lower it.
If this is your first cycle, why in the hell are you trying to take so much? You are going to really mess yourself up.
rhino82Why the T3 for Gh? Am I missing something?
AbsAt50KGSorry didn’t do my research enough and mixed up T4 with T3
Damn dude I see guys with many cycles under their belts that are already JACKED doing smaller cycles.
AbsAt50KGReally? Personally I don’t think it’s that big, everything else like the Glow stuff and selank are just for cosmetic purposes and won’t impact my health that much. Test with ai and hcg so my balls won’t die hgh for better everything, igf-1 to pair with the gh. And the only issue I could really see would be the var.
If you don't personally think it's too big then it isn't too big. Blast away.
Everything laid out here is too much.
But I’m gonna nitpick one thing out of the many things wrong here. Mainly because I feel as if this came from TikTok or some other stupid shit.
You say “T3 – On standby (in case of GH)”
Explain this reasoning.
AbsAt50KGI’ve heard hgh can negatively impact your thyroid once you reach those higher amounts of ius so having T3 on standby could help incase my thyroid is impacted. Could you explain anything else wrong after all this is only my first time posting.
HGH increases the deiodination of T4. So you’d have elevated T3 and low T4. With higher T3 levels your TSH will likely decrease too, due to the negative feedback loop. If you were going to supplement anything it would be T4. Not T3. But that’s not even really necessary. Too much T3 can be a bad thing catabolism-wise.
AbsAt50KGOkay I see, you mentioned that I had some other things wrong could you explain because I don’t see any problems with the cycle from maybe the supplements and peptides?