Using AAS and keeping gains after PCT when natural muscle memory is a factor
Okay so this title may be a bit confusing so I'll just clarify what Im trying to convey here.
Suppose an individual (yes, me but Im not even going to consider purchasing anything until I've put my research in and get some feedback as to whether or not this is even a viable option) had lifted seriously NATURALLY for years. Nutrition, training, recovery, etc was all on point; essentially they knew how to train in a way that worked for them, how to eat to ensure they made consistent progress (ie. taking down a plate of food even when they've eaten 5x that day and they want to spit the first forkful out but know they have to finish it to ensure the best chance of improving next workout), all that stuff.
Im gonna stop talking in the 3rd person now lol. So after about 2.5-3 years of that (training with Powerlifting goals in mind), I weighed 255ish at 5ft 9, prob between 20-25%bf, and had best lifts of 585x5 beltless/455 tng/655 beltless (squat, bench, deadlift). I then had to stop due to entering dental school and really never got a chance to start back up again for the last 3 years simply because the curicculum is so intense/time consuming. Now we've all heard anecdotally or even from personal experience (as well as recent research on this topic) how much faster a previously trained individual who took a period of time off can regain what they've lost vs. someone starting at square one. Ive also heard from individuals such as alan aragon, lyle mcdonald, jason blahs, etc that while this phenomenon of "muscle memory" certainly exists, it has diminishing returns with time, ie. don't expect to take a few years off and blow back up after a few months of training (essentially my case). Basically at that point, while muscle memory may play some role in their progress, they are essentially re-experiencing "newb gains."
So after that long prologue, heres my question:
If i were to use AAS (basic test cycle; again Im absolutely not jumping into this after a few "yes" answers, I understand these are powerful drugs with potentially serious side effects if not used responsibly and I intent to approach their use with that understanding in mind, if I do decide this is a viable option at all) now and regain my previous size and lifts (or even close to them, say 80%), do you believe I would have a greater chance of maintaining these "regains" during and after PCT simply because I have been at that weight, lifted those weights, etc before naturally and use of AAS will not take me anywhere I haven't already been in terms of size/strength?
I realize this sounds like using them as a shortcut and TBH, yes in some ways I will admit it is but the bigger issue is I have more time on my hands now to train, to eat they way i know I need to in order to get back to that level, and if I can regain say 80% of my previous, naturally achieved accomlishments in a few months vs say 2 years and HOLD ONTO them because I have been there before as a natural, I think it is something worth considering.
Ill include stats although I'm not asking about specific cycling advice:
-trained very seriously from day 1, naturally, for just shy of 3 years
-pre-layoff stats:
255ish BW, 20-25%bf (I hold fat kinda weird, you could actually see decent abs but I was absolutely 20%+ bf)
585x5, 455, 655 best lifts. Knew how to but my ass in and outta the gym to achieve my goals.
-complete layoff for about 3.5 years, which from what Im told makes the effects of muscle memory much less of a factor.
-current stats:
27 years old
12-15%bf
been lifting for the last 8 weeks or so and for the most part id say people were right about muscle memory not being a big influence after taking several years off, deadlift is up to 585 but my bench is at 315 and squat id estimate is 455 tops.
sorry for the novel, I just wanna make sure I'm doing this right, if I do choose to do it at all. and whether or not I keep the regains I make using AAS that I previously gained naturally is going to play a very big role in this decision.
thanks for reading
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AnonSo you've only been lifting again for the last 8 weeks you say correct? Pretty damn strong for being out of the gym that long…. I wouldn't be surprised if you are at 80-85% of previous strength in another 6 months if fully dedicated maybe even higher on the dead and squats I know my legs get HUGE in just a few months, muscle memory is VERY real. Also consider that you are older now so what is attainable naturally will be higher, hell you might be 100% or past on some lifts in 6 months. I flew from 191 to 203 in 4 weeks flat when I came back after a surgery in Feb. no gear. I didn't wait until I was all the way back to around 215 ( previous weight before surgery ) because I got impatient hurt my ego to be so weak not going to lie I hated it…. my elbows and tendons are hurting right now that I'm back up to size. Wrapping my knee on leg days too. Shoulders are a little creaky. Basically my muscles recover faster than the rest of me. Too strong too fast. I've stopped gaining weight on purpose because my body isn't happy just cleaning up physique now, which sucks I wanted to keep going.
You're a smart dude. Give it 4-6 months then come back to this question. People are too afraid to ask questions sometimes yours was an intelligent one no shame in that at all. But yeah I just made the same mistake so don't do it haha
RustyhookerDude. Muscle memory is no joke. Same deal when i went into school. Back up in weight with hard sweat value.
Second. Dont even try gear til your maxed out and lean again. Your muscles grow faster than ligaments. Folks do the jump in too soon and rip tear. Kill it in the gym. Redial in your diet. Come back in a year.
thanks man, I appreciate you reading and the input, I've had this convo with several people and a lot of them have mentioned the tendon/ligament issue, which I was aware of. If I did choose to go down this path (which I most likely will deter from, Ive gotten mixed responses but the majority of people Ive talked to gave more or less the same advice as you) I would probably dedicate 2 months of my training specifically tailored around building CT strength (lots of heavy partials and whatnot) before touching anything. thing is, and I realize this isn't exactly the "right" way to go about choosing whether or not to use, i DONT want to have the gear take me past my genetic limit or past what I did naturally, Im just looking to expedite the process in the hopes Ill keep the progress made on gear since Ive done it before without it. If I went past my limit on gear, how would I maintain that level naturally ya know?
just outta curiosity, how long were you out for, how long did it take to come back and what were your pre/post layoff stats?
once again, thank you for the input. like I said, I think thats what I'll end up doing based on yours and other responses.
Rustyhookerschool a few years. Dropped down to 155. Summer with just muscle memory 180. Lifted a solud year before going back onto gear. Light cycle had me at 194 easy. Im too old for bad injury. Last injury took a year to get back on track. Get at least 6 months minimum with max effort. Get bloods prior.
definitely sounds reasonable and is pretty much in line with most of the feedback Im getting, so thats how I plan on approaching this. Will give me plenty of time to research and be 110% prepared when/if I pull the trigger. Thanks again for the response. Do you mind accepting my FR? I have just one thing I'd like to ask that MIGHT potentially be time sensitive (I'll explain in the PM, its nothing serious). Thanks again, I appreciate it.