posted Mon, 05/13/2013 - 22:17
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+ 1 heated hgh discussion/all generics fake or peps....
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Came across this thread while researching hgh (hygetropin and riptropin) and in this thread the "Hall of famer-Marcus"and many member go back and forth about how all generic(not pharm grade) hgh is all fake or peptides or "poison".... They talk about how no blood test serum or mass spectrum test can prove hgh to be real. Thought some of you may find this interesting. I dont have a side on the topic.
http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-hgh-insulin-questions/521138-riptrop...
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UFOThis is always fun to read after ordering 4 hyge kits! hah. But in all seriousness, like fit and tread said, the shit works. Whatever is in the hyges and rips ive been running have changed the way my body looks like no other compounds have done what they have. My fat has really started to melt and viens poppin everywhere. I see all the sides associated with strong hgh. Mass spec have come back at 98% pure and have the amino sequence(not sure what that means but was told its good ha) on point. I honestly cant see buying a 1600 pharma grade kit getting me better results than the 8 kits of hyges I could run for that price. The same argument goes for pharma test vs ugl. Ive ran plenty of both and im telling you now, if you have a good source there is no fucking difference. Yes its a different ballgame entirely with hgh but it is still similar and I see many jackasses to this day saying only pharma test will do the job.
Haha. I'm sure you did your research and got your gh from a reliable source. the shit is just expensive(to me) even generics, pharm is just outta my reach. I've been doing a lot of research and wanna get as many views on it as I can before spending hard earned money. I love eroids and spend most of my time here but you do have to go outside the box and get everyone's views imo. just thought it would be interesting to put up a thread on another forums opinions especially fir those who don't research outside of this site. my findings are pretty much there are good and bad gh there are good hyge and rips and there are fake or way underdosed hyge and rips( that goes with any other generic also). the Chinese are dirty scammers that can't b trusted but there are good sources of gh as long as you use a good source that sticks with their reliable suppliers.
Joosemanif you base things off the fischer test which I believe is what Beaker uses and the doctor he works under, I suppose you could call them fake since they have a completely different amino sequence. China is definitely good at ruining everything, thats for sure. Nothing will ever compare to USA HG HGH, if you've used both - you know what I mean.
I would like to try hgh someday but I don't know any legit sources. If someone could fill me in on private message that would be sweet. Thanks.
fake?...naw. Severly underdosed? I would say yes. Might as well save up for some Saizen or simpleflexx pens. Im on an underground forum cough god of hormones cough and they take the HGH game realllllllllll serious. Those boys dont play over there. Everybody there is juicing from like 18 yrs old and up lol. Alot of serious bodybuilders over there too. basically saying the peptide game is a fad and you're better off running pharma GH instead of generics (supposedly they just make you hold a shit ton of water?). The best Generic based on word being spread is that nothing (not even pharma) comes close to legit kigtropin circa 2011.
tread-mHere's the problem with the word "fake". Too many idiots have used it it just because the wanna feel cool on sites and declare something fake.
The term fake means what? Not real
So if we have an hgh product that is 10% pure is it fake? Of course not!!! Its very real its just not as pure as one 11% or more. That's not referencing the productd in the discussion but its saying you need a dose of reality and the word fake is so over used its disgusting. Fitcpl makes a ot of sense in his comments below. If you have product that is working then its working no matter what anyone tells you and that's why I know in my mind whatever GH he is using has properties that cause results for him.
Using the term fake is inaccurate even if his product was random frag all over the map and on had 1% 191 and the other 99% were chains of different length all over the map. That's why we have such long drug out arguments and discussions about much of this, people don't understand the term "fake". Use it improperly and that goes for gear as well. Low dose gear is not fake. Same with "copy". Copy Jin is not Gen its not fake its copy. The product can be "real" in a wide variation of the word real. Even if its 10% pure that does not make it 90% fake.
Here will be the most telling bit of information in the analogy. True gensci pharma or true Eli Lilly at a purity of well over 90% 191 still has a percentage that not pure. So let's say its 2% broken chains or random frag. Is it fake? NO!
Is the small percentage that is not 191 fake? NO! Its simply a chain percentage that does not meet 191.
To have a conversation with someone who "actually knows this stuff" would only include the term fake on very rare occasion. Its llike gettin g pins that are not from the real manufacturer they claim to be. Are they fake? Of course not. Its like buying knock off Nike shoes . Are they fake? NO! They are stil shoes they are just "knock off". So you call them knock off and low quality or any other term you like OTHER THAN FAKE. THEY ARE STILL "REAL" SHOES!
AnonI'm going to listen to this gorilla^^^^^
He's my Oracle, my consigliere, my mothafuckin Guru.
Love the points and how u break it down to my language.
Very well said. I'd like to see someone argue this point. Be safe brother.
I agree 100% on what you said and like the analogies you presented to put in terms that anyone can understand! You actually understand the conceptual side of science and can explain it in a great way for the average person to understand. I really hate these "science/biomed" students or even grads that read some books took some tests and think they actually know what they're talking about throwing a bunch of science jargon and terminology to try to formulate their reasoning. Doesn't mean jack if you don't actually truly understand the concepts behind what you're talking about then your rational just looks stupid in my opinion. Maybe I should just reiterate what I read then show you why I believe what I believe lol! Even if you have a very good GH product with high purity if you don't reconstitute the substrate into the solution properly you end up with damaged fragmented sequences of the 191 chain. Then what? Is your GH garbage then or less pure? People don't take everything into consideration. Again thank you for your insight it's great having someone that "gets it"!
tread-mYup, can't use Bonds "shaken and not stirred" method with gh....just random frag when its over. Lol. Appreciate your 2 cents and totally agree, science is often lost on a few people who think they don't need the follow up after the "theory" right!
The kids i know who were put on rHGH for growth issues it cost their insurance upwards of $10,000/month though im not sure about how much the doses compare to what people are using here. That makes me real skeptical for a few hundred dollars an UGL can produce a real properly dosed product.
i think your numbers are off really pharma gh is like 1600 for a kit so i highly doubt he would be running 10000 worth of gh a month
It was a while ago like maybe 10 years ago so prices may have come down. I also remember it made alot of the kids who were getting it have headaches, diarrhea and stomach pain whereas it seems the adults using as anti-aging or recreational here seem to say it makes them feel well which to me is a discrepancy. And there are many papers out putting forth methods to identify hgh, but there is no sure proven way to test for it including using mass spect which is why HGH such a problem with sports doping. Both natural hgh and the recombinant form have sequence errors/ variants which complicate identification and measurements. Beaker may or may not tell you what you want to hear but the testing of these rips and hyges is not highly valid.
Man I just orders some rips been on peptides for a while they work good see what happens
There's a similar thread on there, which is wayyy bigger something like 80+ pages discussing the same issue. They say that the only GH that works after pharma is Jintropin from Ukraine/Russia
mind linking it?
http://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3-hgh-insulin-questions/436935-chinese...