Is Prop useless for front-loading?
If I run a 600mg of Test E per week my goal is to get my blood levels (effective dose) to peak at 1400mg (based on overlapping halflives)
This can only occur by around week 10, because there is a slow and steady buildup
So some smart cookie though of throwing in some quick ester, prop, to get the bloods up high quickly while waiting for the overlapping esters to catch up.
If I start the cycle with the first shot at 1400mg of Test E you blood levels will be at 1400mg straight away.
Then basically you can run 600mg of Test E to keep 1400mg constant throughout your cycle
Frontloading 150 of prop EOD will only add around 300mg of test to the Test E building up, this is because of the props short halflife. This is way short of the 1400mg which is obtainable from one big Test E shot at the start.
Something to think about
Cheers Threshy
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Your question is a little deceiving as you are talking about two different esters but wanting to accomplish the task of 1400 effective dose. Vewi is right in that there is a difference between front loading a cycle and kick starting a cycle. Prop you would use as a kick start to feel the affects sooner then later and you can shorten the ramp phase to steady state from 4 weeks to 2 weeks but that is done in an entirely different manner then what you described. First off both ester release test at a different rate. Six days apart in fact. Now the reason your question is not simple is because you are saying 1400 mg, I am assuming you mean 1400 mg of Test E in your system and not 1400 of test e and test prop because that would be impossible since they are apples and oranges but they do share a common trait and that would be test. So if what your saying is you want to achieve 980 mg of test in your system (not free test) just test that is available to be freed then that is a different story. I only have fifteen minutes to write this so here is a rough graph of just a Test E schedule taking into account your 1400 mg regiment you are wanting to achieve. This is done by taking 700 every two days for the first 7 days and then dropping to 350 every two days for the remainder of the cycle. Here is the graph.
Thanks for your reply
The thing I've always been told is that Test is Test whether its prop, cyp, enanthate etc....
i know they got different halflives.
Please help me understand why you cant just use the anabolic calculator you got that image from to add the test from the prop and the test from the Enanthate together to obtain the amount of test in your system?
Also
How do I add images to my posts? Are there instructions somewhere?
Cheers Threshy
Would it be alright if I just pointed you to one of my posts that explains it in better detail. I did not use a calculator for that graph. I do all my own graphs and work on excel.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-do-different-esters...
Then we can chat a little later. But I think you will get the just after you read my post.
Great post man,
I think I understand
Its a bit like the chain oil in my chainsaw.
I put 100ml into the chain oil tank but it only comes out a little bit at a time.
I think your the Eroids Einstein
Thanks Heaps
Threshy
Vewigood stuff.
VewiYou can give yourself 2000mg of test the first week hell give yourself 5000mg the first week You still will not feel a kick until week four-too 6 you know when the Test is actually working in your body full blown..
The Test p is not a frontload.. it is just to get that feel you are waiting for and get some kick going while you wait for the Test E or test c to kick in.
Don't confuse a test p starter as a frontload. they are two different things.
However, if your were going to lets say a test p Test E cycle and you wanted a frontload--or frontload test e for that matter it would look like this..
1-1 Test E @ 1200mg
1-4 Test p @150mg EOD
1-12 Test E @ 500 (or 750mg) a week
13-16 Test P @ 150mg EOD
there reason for the taper is so you can start your PCT 3 days after last shot instead of 15 or 18 if you end with Test E or Test C..
"You can give yourself 2000mg of test the first week hell give yourself 5000mg the first week You still will not feel a kick until week four-too 6 you know when the Test is actually working in your body full blown.."
Searching google for enanthate and blood levels reveals that if you wack 1400mg of Test E your blood levels will be at 1400mg in less than 24hours.
If you take 5000 at once your gunna OD, and if its Enanthate that erection aint going down for quite a while.
The effects of any workout take a few weeks to show whether you geared or not. If you got the full saturation of test from day 1 then the gains after a few weeks will be greater than if you levels were slowly building up. Its just logical. Your increasing your muscle protein, IGF-1, nitrogen and controlling cortisol much earlier.
Testosterone overdose can precipitate its adverse effects like nausea, vomiting abdominal pain, jaundice, confusion,headache, restlessness, muscle twitching, persistent erection.
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VewiI was being sarcastic.. but your blood level yes your still not going to feel a kick until week 4-6
Spice1I agree. The test e wont break down for a month, whetger u use 600mgs, 1200, or a God awful 5000!!! Please do not use 5000! Shit man, you are asking for a death wish.
I normally run it how these boys said above. Start with prop to get test going and once 4 weeks come, I down the prop dose a bit as the long Esther test kick in. Then I finish at times with prop too. Good work all u guys!!! U are some scientists.
If u want to feel a good blast month 1 try dbol or adrol.