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  • Edit Need some help with my lab work/ high Estrogen

  • keithkirby90057   •   Wed, Jun 24th, '20 14:29   •   29 replies, 204 views

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Hello Guys
Hey guys, I got a full fairly comprehensive panel of blood work done and I'm alarmed at my estradiol and some of my other levels. Also is 2000 good for test levels and 750 good for free test levels? This was done at the end of week 6. I've been on 500mg Test E a week. The first 6 weeks I ran T-bol at 50 mg a day. I ended that at 6 weeks. I have been running proviron 50 mg a day and arimidex .25 EOD. I feel great and have gain over 15 pounds of lean muscle already while putting 40 pounds on my bench max. I haven't noticed any signs for high estrogen. But the blood work shows its very high. Should I bump my adex dosage. I also have aromisin on hand. not sure if I should switch to that. also some of my other levels are out of range. I have been taking NAC, tudca, and milk thistle for liver healthy. I'm currently. at 5'8 212 pounds with about 12% body fat. This is my 5th or 6th cycle. But first one since 2016 and first time taking bloods. Any and all advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

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  • bigchips27's picture
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I agree. You're good as long as you're not having any high estrogen sides. I wouldnt even take adex until you notice sides. Im on the side of higher the better until it becomes problematic. I'd be happy with test and free test levels.
Thyroid is running pretty hard. Consider or look into low dose t4 until end of cycle or while on next cycle.
How is your hematocrit/hemoglobin RBC?

  • Bill1976's picture
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  • Bill1976
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How long after your last pin did you pull bloods?

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I pin on Sunday’s and Thursday mornings. I pulled bloods on a Wednesday.

  • Bill1976's picture
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ZPHC?

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The test e was spectrum. The proviron and t-bol were ZPHC

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  • Sosa123
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I will give u +1 for posting bloods and asking for advice ... you’ll be just fine ....

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  • Sosa123
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15 lbs. of lean muscle .... first cycle .... hmmmm that’s some good gear !!!!

I’m no doctor or any expert so I can’t judge you although Sam I Am does have point... if u got 15 pounds up there’s some water in there ....

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  • Sam I Am
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15 lbs if lean muscle off one cycle with your test in the 2ks?
Bullshit..

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I started this cycle weighing around 192. I’m at 209 right now. Why is it bullshit?

  • Sam I Am's picture
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May be water weight but that’s not lean tissue.
Your test isn’t even that high imo.
You’d be 150 lbs heavier and lean after 10 cycles...
Your either mistaking fluid retention or your full of shit.

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Well I must be wrong about lean muscle and some of it be fluid retention. The scale says what it says. I just know I don’t feel bloated and I can still see my 8 pack. I’m still new to this and learning about how my body reacts to different substances.

  • Bill G's picture
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Sucks that the juice shoves all the glycogen in between the muscle strands and gives this hard muscle look. Then some one tells you it's just water and they freak out cause it looks like muscle but it's not.

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  • @Bill G

Thanks for info, I didn’t know that

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Try going to a bucther and ask for 15 - or 17 lbs of lean beef Thats a whole lot of Meat dude . Thats simply impossible in 6 weeks

  • Molinin302's picture
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I was leaving that alone lol

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  • keithkirby90057
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For some reason its not showing my lab shots
My estradiol is 84
MY Test is 2081
Free test is 775
AST is 55
ALT is 57
LH is 0.4
T3 -41
T4-3.1
Free T4 1.3
TSH is 6.15
urea nitrogen is 27

Theses are all the abnormal levels on my blood test

  • Bill G's picture
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Is tren involved?

For your test ti be so high 84 on estro isn't bad if you arent having sides.
I wouldnt just do a bump of adex. It let's go everything it binds causing a rebound when it wears off.
Aromasin would be better if you arent taking it regularly. Though some will say the levels of either have to build up and remain stable for it to work. Not the case for me.
Every one is different with that.
Irea nitrogen is high because you are flooding your kidneys with broken muscle parts and prolly are eating enough protein to feed 3 people. But keep an eye on that. Your kidneys dont grow back.
Dont know about the thyroid I've never had problems there see an endocrinologist
Your liver functions alt and ast ? Are you running orals? Dehydration will cause some of these to be abnormal.
Amd your LH is tanked because you are injection of test. Your body doesn't need to make any so it doesnt send the signals .

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  • @Bill G

No tren, just the test, tool for first 6 weeks and proviron. Been eating around 350-400 grams of protein a day. I have aro on hand, should I switch to that and see how I feel or just stay with a regular dose of adex if I’m not feeling sides. Btw thanks for the explanations. Appreciate all the info

  • Bill G's picture
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I've had trouble switching in the past. I wish I had just stayed the course.
Fighting the rebound from one and fighting the onset of new.
Gets overdone then the next thing you know your in the toilet.
If you feel it is necessary up what you are taking.
Get bloods again.
Most ai will mess with lipids adex does more than aro. But it is still .
How much water do you drink?
How much water did you drink before the blood test?

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I drink a good amount of water. Around 128 Ounces a day. I had the blood test at 930am and was fasting for the 12 previous hours. I don’t think I drank very much before test

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Fasted doesnt mean dehydrated . I bet some or all of those numbers could improve with hydration

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  • keithkirby90057
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  • @Bill G

I’m going to bump my adex dose up very slightly and get bloods done in 2 weeks and make sure to stay well hydrated leading up to the blood work.

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They say you can drink coffee or water and it wont hurt the fast.

And upping your dose a little sounds responsible .
You should be fine.
Research research research

  • Molinin302's picture
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Thanks for the text, for some reason I can't view posted pictures. You were running an oral, your liver enzymes, frankly they're not too bad. Not great but its to be expected right? As far as your estradiol goes, yes its high. But again, you're running a good amount of gear. Personally I'd treat the sides as opposed to the numbers when it comes to E2 as opposed to liver, cholesterol, etc. How do you feel? Anxiety? Acne? Cramping? Erectile dysfunction? Bumping up your AI probably wouldn't hurt, but the last thing you want is to crash your estro.

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I feel good. I have not had any acne, cramping, or ED. I have had a little anxiety, but I'm an anxious person in general. Right now I'm taking .25 apex EOD. Should I bump that up to .5 Adex EOD or should I switch to Aromasin 12.5 EOD.

  • Bill G's picture
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I commented up there .
Were you running the ai when you got the blood work?
Seems the estro would be closer to the normal range.

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  • @Bill G

Yes I was running .25 arimidex EOD. Do you think I should bump it up. I also have aromasin on hand too

  • Bill G's picture
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The last time I took adex .5 mg three times a week. Think I was pinning 750 test and my test was 3500
Estro was around 16
Which is low but I get bad sides from estro. I'll be a mess at 84.
Some guys run it up in the 90's and have no problem.
I just think the adex would would be doing better than 84.
I had to quit taking the adex. And only take aromasin it works better for me.
I dont recommend jumping around with the meds. This cycle will be different than the next. Get it worked out so you arent swinging wild . If you are having symptoms then like it was said earlier treat the sides not the numbers.

  • Molinin302's picture
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Again, this is just me. I wouldn't double your current dose if its just mild anxiety. (I have it as well). Maybe .75? I'm an anastrazole guy, I wouldn't be the one to give advice on aromasin, same animal, different breed.