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+ 15 IGF-1 Blood test results for MGT OneQ Blue

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Alright guys I'm definitely looking for some feedback from you all on this one. At first glance I was a bit underwhelmed. Although the results are not as high as we would expect from MGT's Aqua product, my levels are still elevated. My current protocol is 3.6iu ED (the way the OneQ Blue is dosed 3.6iu is 40 units on a slin pin). I was cruising on Test E only at the time of the blood draw. I also take 50mg of Schering Proviron ED. I expected my score to be closer to 400 and was going strictly by the way I felt when I placed another order for these so moving forward I will be raising my dose by 1iu for the EBC....that should put me in the mid 300's which is where I want to be for fatloss and and the other benefits of taking HGH. I think the important thing to remember is this stuff is $100 a kit and it is working, so I'm not necessarily disappointed by the IGF reading. I'm looking forward to other's test results to compare with my own and would appreciate your opinions.

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haapinessgains's picture

Thanks for doing blood work. Yeah the score is definitely not as high as I would have liked to seen. I'm still running 6/2 IU. 6 one day. 2 the next and so fourth. I'm 3 weeks into a Tren blast and for some reason I feel like the HGH has dropped and its effects. I was thinking about upping my HGH dosage. I mean I'm still losing a lot of fat but I tho k the tren and AI use is killing my igf. No labs to prove that but just how my body feels. Im down around 20 bs of fat since staring the hgh and up 10lbs muscle. At the end of week 3 of blast and been running the gH for about 2 months now. Abiut to drop another order for 3 more kits but waiting in labs from mgt to come back. I have a few vials of the white and i think im going to switch to that for the next week just to see if I feel any difference. Keep us posted bro

Dacky's picture

I can’t see your estrodial on the pic you linked. Can you repost it under lab pics section showing all the reference ranges. Can you also link to the labs website where you had the test done showing which tests they are. Running any Tren recently?

ryansolo's picture

What brand of test c are you using? I'm cruising on 200 mg of test e now and it feels like I cannot get my estro down. Its insane how much aromasin I've been taking!

Dacky's picture

Pharma Aromasin?

Primo_Build's picture

I was thinking the same thing. I had estro problems in the past by trying to save money and not using pharma AI’s. Definitely a lesson learned for me.

ryansolo's picture

No, but it's BP aromasin and has always been top notch.

Dacky's picture

And what does your blood work show? I’d definitely be looking at the BP Aromasin. Switch to Pharma for two weeks and retest.

Dacky's picture

Ok but are we taking estrodial or total estrogens? That’s why I asked. Best post it up mate so we can see clearly. And yes test can raise IGF-1.

Dacky's picture

I wouldn’t worry about to mate. It’s the wrong test anyway. It’s pretty meaningless for men and likely prone to more interference and cross reactivity.

This is the test you need - https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/24871/estradiol-sensitive-lc-ms

I don’t believe LabCorp offer a LCMS IGF-1 test but I do know some labs in the US do. Maybe one of the US based guys will be able to direct you.

Edit: sorry found it - https://www.questdiagnostics.com/testcenter/TestDetail.action?ntc=16293

BaronSamedi's picture

I thought the general rule was 100 igf points per iu. So 300igf on 3.6iu isnt the worst result, it is acceptable i think. I am also dosing 3.6iu currently, i feel very good in terms of mental wellbeing. Havent seen any physical changes but i have only used 40iu so far so of course would expect any.

Soulja's picture

That's correct. I normally start noticing physical changes after 2 months so you're getting there, it just takes time.

Dacky's picture

And I’ll chime in here quick while passing through as I am currently doing a whole bunch of research of blood testing methodologies and interferences.

I’m not sure of the method or assay used here but if it is not HPLC then it is immunoassay based and therefore prone to considerable potential interferences especially given the chemicals and compounds we run which in many cases have not been and never will be researched or considered for interference.

And besides these it’s winter where most of us are flu/cold/general shitty virus time and with that comes antibodies. And guess what guys. Guess which is one of the worst culprits for interferences. You guessed it - good old antibodies.

So the next time you get a low IGF-1 score or a high estrodial result which just intuitively feels wrong and the methodology used was immunoassay then you may just be right and a retest with HPLC should be done to confirm if possible. Or just do all tests using HPLC. You guys in the US at least have that possibility open to you. Here in the UK unless you somehow have access to one of the big teaching/research hospitals which are all privatised (NHS) it’s simply not available.

Oh and +2 for testing.

Soulja's picture

This was the test:

https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/insulin-like-growth-factor-testing.php

Interesting information on the antibodies! I'm still bouncing back and forth battling a cold. With Proviron being so similar to Masteron I do believe it could also be why the reading was not as elevated as we've seen from MGT products in the past. I'm glad I did the testing and it's certainly brought up some interesting conversation. I'm hoping to see more from other customers because I plan on running this OneQ Blue for a bit. Thanks brother!

Dacky's picture

That test is 100% immunoassay based and therefore subject to potential interferences. Antibodies are the big one here and in particular Heterophile ones. We all have them but if you get mono they will be high or if you’ve had mono in the past and are having a flare up or been exposed to someone currently with mono they will rise up and interfere. Other viral infections will cause these antibodies to rise up. When this happens it can cause immunoassay to return a false low reading for IGF-1 and a false high reading for estrodial.

And then there are possible interferences from exogenous medications and/or the effect these have on binding proteins in the body. Many of these for mainstream medications are well know and researched and the immunoassay methodology have evolved to mitigate these interferences/cross-reactivities. But here’s the thing.....almost none of what we take are mainstream medicines and therefore have likely never been researched for interference and cross reactivity. And even those that are known (Tren causing false high positive estrodial reading for example and Deca causing false high positive testosterone readings) are not a common enough issue for anyone to bother addressing and developing an ELSIA to mitigate these. So could DHT drugs be causing some sort of interference here? Well who knows and we likely never will know for sure. Seems to be enough anecdotal evidence to suggest this may be an issue.

The best thing to do is to make sure the test is LCMS based going forward. This is available commercially in the US but not in most countries.

And here’s the main point - we can all be very quick to bash a source/lab when we don’t see the blood test result we are expecting or hoping for. We all need to be very careful with this given just how fraught with error most immunoassay based blood tests are. At the end of the day the only true way to tell is to send a sample of the compound off for direct HPLC testing

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"Other viral infections will cause these antibodies to rise up. When this happens it can cause immunoassay to return a false low reading for IGF-1 and a false high reading for estrodial"

Very very interesting. My lower igf1 and estradiol seems to be false reading from the last BW.

OEstradiol is 50 with test E 700mg/w and Masteron E 700mg/w plus 25mg aromasin ED..doesnt make sense To me.

As said too my igf1 score went from 407 with 5uis ed To 176 when i added masteron and 10uis eod..

Just made another igf1 bw in another lab too confirm this so low igf1 number

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Dacky's picture

If you’re US based then make sure you’re doing your follow up testing using HPLC/LCMS in the case of all hormones otherwise you will be prone to interferences and cross reactivity. If you’re using Pharma Aromasin then and estrodial reading of 50 on 700mg of test seems reasonable to me. Not everyone sees a massive E2 lowering benefit from Mast.

Makwa's picture

Masteron E 700mg/w plus 25mg aromasin ED.

That could be why your estro isn't jacked on 700mg of test. Both mast and provi have AI properties. 700mg of mast is a hefty dose along with 25mg of asin.

bigal1980's picture

I just did some bloods to know my score of with igf1 but with another hgh.
Igf1 went from 407 with test e and npp with 5uis ed to 176 adding masteron enanthate in 6 weeks and last 3 weeks with eod protocol 10uis
So DHT deritatives killed my igf1.
My question is taking hgh is useful ?
I am right now one q White and will do bloods in a month again to check but know with ed 4.5uis

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Soulja's picture

There's no doubt it's useful. I understand where you coming from though. It's got me wondering what the average IGF level of person not on hgh and taking DHT derivatives would be. The hgh molecule itself has benefits but the IGF is what we are after for bodybuilding purposes. I did run a test/mast/hgh cycle a couple times and really liked the results. I doubt my IGF level was all that high.

RSN34's picture

Thanks for sharing +. Now I’m curious to what me numbers would be

ECinfidel's picture

+1 for testing my man. I'd expect slightly higher numbers from MGT products, although there may be other things in play, DHT etc. Hopefully some more bloods come in so we can get an idea of what we're dealing with.

Soulja's picture

I'm with you bro, I feel pretty foolish for wasting my Provi and HGH by running them together if they are not synergistic. I also don't want others to look at my score and automatically assume that the OneQ is not as good as the previous products if taking Provi did contribute to my IGF score being on the lower side for the dose I'm on. So, the best thing I can do at this point in drop the Provi and try again later. Atleast it will be something that we are all aware of moving forward because I know I'm not the only person running HGH and Proviron together.

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Makwa's picture

I feel pretty foolish for wasting my Provi and HGH by running them together if they are not synergistic.

You are not looking at the big picture here. This whole GH/DHT thing is being blown way out of proportion. If all you are concerned about is an IGF number on a piece of paper, then by all means drop any dht or any other compound for that matter that may depress that number somewhat. Your IGF score may look better then but I can guarantee you that you are missing out on great gains and an awesome cycle if all you are concerned about is a number on that lab slip. You are are going to be better off keeping your provi in your cycle than dropping. I am more concerned about results than a number on a piece of paper. You are sacrificing results just to try and make your IGF numbers show a little higher.

Is it a waste to run GH with mast, var, provi, primo. Anybody with any common sense would be running those compounds in conjunction with GH. Run your cutmix without GH....bet you will like it more with GH. Run your primo without GH.....you will be alot more shredded with GH and will get there quicker (but it may lower my IGF score. lol). Look at the big picture here, this whole worrying about running DHT based compounds with GH is just silly.

Soulja's picture

I get what you're saying. I'm letting my cost to benefit ratio determine my next move to an extent. If I was running a high amount of test with my new cycle then sure, I would keep the Provi and raise my gh dose. My new cycle is the EQ/DHB combo with a fairly low dose of test. It makes sense to me that the higher IGF is, the more benefit I will see in regard to protein synthesis and retaining mass while dieting down. Hopefully the EQ and DHB will be doing the work and I'll have enough free test without the Proviron to keep everything functioning properly. I'll be introducing Anavar and possibly Primo towards the end of it so there's not much need for Provi at that point imo. In my post above my initial thought was to just raise my gh dose but now I'm hoping to just stay where I'm at (3-4iu should be ideal for fatloss as well), test again mid cycle and see what effect the Proviron did have, if any, for future reference. I can also add it back in at any time should I feel the need. I appreciate your knowledge and insight Mak.

Makwa's picture

You will get more out of your cycle by increasing your free test with the provi then you will by taking it out and trying to increase your IGF. Free test is the powerhouse in your cycle. You do whatever you have to do to raise it. I still don't think you are seeing the big picture here.

Soulja's picture

That's actually new information to me and I appreciate it. I was thinking that my free test was just to keep my body functioning properly and the EQ/DHB and IGF would be the big factors in my gains. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you are telling me is that it will be better to have everything in there, including the Proviron to optimize my free test amount, instead of worrying about the DHT compounds affecting my IGF level. So the benefit of running the HGH abd DHT compounds together outweigh just running one or the other regardless of the low IGF score? I know some of my best runs have been test, mast and hgh so that does make sense to me. I guess I'm afraid of creating a counterproductive environment by taking too many compounds and one negating the other. I think looking back I just wonder if I held myself back by stacking the wrong compounds with HGH. It makes sense that all these things should work synergistically with one another in my head. Other things I've read have me feeling like I could be potentially not getting the most outta the stuff I spend money on.

Makwa's picture

So the benefit of running the HGH abd DHT compounds together outweigh just running one or the other regardless of the low IGF score?

Exactly and your IGF level is not low.

I think looking back I just wonder if I held myself back by stacking the wrong compounds with HGH.

There really aren' t any wrong compounds when running GH.

Soulja's picture

Cool! Thanks for helping work through that Mak. I've only run hgh for a couple years now. I plan to keep doing so and want to do it right. I appreciate your help bro.

OneQ's picture

+100
Hgh effect is not only IGF increasing. Even if some compound decrease IGF conversation hgh still working and help you to get a result

Dope's picture

Corect ! This is truth that why i wrote that this number is acceptable

Gone order next week oneQ to see for my self mgt

Respect brother

Dope

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pickle's picture

If been running provi and GH together for about 6 months. Tempted to drop the provi and see if there are any changes. Thanks for testing bro +1

Soulja's picture

Luckily I just started that round of Provi at the beginning of the year. Actually at the exact same time as I started the Blue....you ever see anyone get their IGF tested while running DHB? Now I'm curious if it could potentially lower IGF as well.

pickle's picture

I have not, i was curious about that too when i had my short stint with DHB at the end of last year. Did not find any info on it. Have read tons saying that DHTs will lower IGF considerably, provi and mast are my biggest concerns as they are awesome and i enjoy the mild ai properties.

Riceeroni's picture

I think the beard or possibly dacky had some bloods pulled on dhb. From what I remember the igf shot way up when the dht were dropped. Im really curious as to what exactly is diminished when running hgh with mast,proviron, dhb etc. Last time I ran dhb I used 3iu of Jins and felt fantastic. I never was able to pull bloods though sadly. I'd really be excited to learn what exactly happens with the igf number being lowered, because in the past I've run test/tren/mast and 6iu growth and leaned out drastically and added a few pounds all while seeming to "feel" the growth. nails and hair grew annoyingly fast. At one point I wondered if it was similar to how Tren can cause a false high estrogen reading on some labs.

ECinfidel's picture

I wouldn't say you wasted either your provi or your growth. Your igf levels are still well elevated. And I'm sure your free test is screaming. So you are reaping some benefit from both compounds. But I see where youre coming from.

Soulja's picture

You make a valid point. I also just started DHB....so I'm thinking, we know Dihydrotestosterone negatively impacts IGF conversion, I wonder if Dihydroboldonone can have the same effect? Pretty sure there's not gonna be much to research on that one.....trial and error.

OneQ's picture

I don't know exactly if Proviron can decrease IGF production but if I rember well DHT decrease IGF. Not sure.

Hovewer, thing that you need to understand is that IGF production is very complex process.
Your sleep, your diet, your training, condition of your liver, your health in general, additional "supplements" and ofc GH level - all of these things can affect on IGF level. You didn't inject IGF, your body should produce IGF and this is very different things

Unfortunately this is reality, our body is very complex system.

1 customer from EU sent OneQ Blue product in Lab4tox (if I remember correct name of the lab)
So I hope we will get soon the result

Soulja's picture

Everything as far as my general health is on point. My liver enzymes were slightly elevated when I got them checked but just barely over the reference range. As far as rest, diet and training I'm doing well. Not sure how much a common cold can influence the conversion process but I did also just recover from a cold. I already dropped the Proviron and Im not running any other DHT's for the next couple months. I'll get my IGF level tested again before I start any Anavar or Primo for this cut I'm on. I know it is HGH and it is working. I may just need to raise my iu amount to get the score I'm after. I'm looking forward to seeing more results as well.

Makwa's picture

I would have expected a bit higher than that, especially with something from MGT.

heavymetalmonsterD's picture

Do u think the 50mg of proviron could be affecting the number

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Makwa's picture

I wouldn't think to any appreciable degree.

Soulja's picture

That's all I can come up with. I was expecting a higher number as well. If you Google "does Proviron lower IGF" there is nothing but people saying that it should not affect your IGF level. However, real world experience tells us that DHT's do in fact inhibit conversion. Hopefully we will see some other tests roll in. I dropped the Provi and will test again in 6 weeks or so.

heavymetalmonsterD's picture

That was what I was also thinking...it might not have a huge impact but still might lower it some

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