posted Thu, 10/02/2025 - 04:08
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+ 6 5 week labs on K4L and Titans
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Pre cycle and 5 week labs. Cycle is
*400mg Test C from K4L
*200mg Mast E from Titans (Unc)
*50mg T-Bol from Titans (used for 1st 4 weeks)
Test and Mast are every 3.5 days. Pin Sunday am and Wednesday pm. The week of labs, I did not pin on Wednesday night but instead waited until after blood was drawn on Thursday morning. Total test seems pretty low for some reason. Any ideas?
Ordered from:
- Bookmark
- 6
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Free testosterone was 747 last time. I'd be willing to send off a sample.
@GlassGuru If you look at the percentage changes, total T dropped ~54%, while free T only dropped ~43%. The free/total ratio actually went up ~25%. That shift is classic SHBG suppression, Mast lowers SHBG, so a bigger share of circulating testosterone is unbound. You end up with a lower “total” reading but proportionally higher free T.
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Lets get to the bottom of this, I'll make sure you're taken care of.
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Whats the first photo you attached, is it baseline lab work?
Yes, that is pre cycle labs
Low numbers my man. Def underdosed. This is tough to see, I’ve been a fan of K4L for a while.
While ive never ran their test c, I’ve ran many of their test e and always had great numbers.
Sorry bro I hope they get you taken care of.
Kudos to you for saying the truth even though you’ve supported for a while (perhaps still do) but acknowledging the result
For sure, man. That’s what I love about this community — being able to share honest reviews and experiences, and call things out when needed. I’ve placed multiple orders through K4L and had nothing but good experiences. If you check my previous posts, you’ll see I’ve bought from multiple sources. Reviews definitely influence where I put my business, always within reason lol.
I’m religious about getting blood work done when on a blast, and all of my markers have come back solid with the compounds I’ve run from them. Up to this point, I haven’t had anything negative to say. I’ve also paid attention to how K4L has handled the negative experiences others have mentioned, and I respect that they own up to issues and try to make it right. Mistakes can happen in any business — what matters to me is whether they’re acknowledged and corrected. With their track record of mostly positive reviews and only a handful of negatives, I don’t see why they’d try to screw anyone over. If anything, it seems they want to deliver consistently and make up for the occasional mishap.
For example, someone once called out underfilled vials, which made me double-check mine. Sure enough, I had the same issue. I reached out, and they replaced all of the underfilled vials without hesitation. That’s all I could ask for — they made sure I was satisfied.
That’s just my take on it.
It seems they do usually take care of it, and something being underdosed especially test is a quality control thing, it wouldn’t be worth it for any source to cut corners with such an affordable compound
I completely agree—these things should be called out. It only helps sources improve and prevents the same issue from happening to someone else. And I’m not afraid to call a spade a spade if that’s what it is. As long as there is proof and what appears to be honesty.
Before I found this forum less than a year ago, I relied only on people I knew who would get it from someone else to an unknown UGL, and there was no way to verify if the compounds were legit other than trying them myself. Sometimes it took weeks just to figure out if something was off. And when I did end up with bunk gear, I had nowhere to go, no one to call it out to. That’s why having this community makes a huge difference. Needless to say I’ve been a kid in a candy store
Yes it’s the accountability that makes us no bunk bs. I respect you for that, n I’d do the same for my fav sources
Just for clarification, I ordered this about 2-3 weeks before all the questionable results started showing up about there products. Not that it matters, just wanted to make it known that I indeed, do not like getting beat, punished, or tortured.
Lol nah bro even though that was hilarious what you said i didn't mean u. I should have been clear about that. And thank you for showing us more proof k4L sucks and trying to help people out.
I was referring to the ones who are going to come up with some reason of how the moon wasn't in line with the earth when Mars passed its 4 turn and that's when the test c was getting made and the gravity made it pull the raws to one side so half is only underdosed but it's not their fault. Type of people lmao.
I mean it’s a reasonable explanation
past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. The damage is done. Never again will I purchase. I mean how easy is it to send off a sample of highly dosed product (whatever it may be) for testing post how great a product is on a website then dump the crap produt you have on the customer. This is the model for many different items and has been since the beginning of time.
Hey @Mikeyt84LINY, I appreciate your passion, you've been around long enough to spot nonsense when you see it. The customer is going to send a vial out to Jano, so how about this: if the vial isn’t within 10% of the stated concentration, I’ll pay you $500. If it does check out, then maybe we both earn a little credibility back in the eyes of the forum (and yourself). Deal?
How about the customer sends the vial to analiza, or another lab to be tested. I'm starting to believe jano sold out. And maybe your paying him off. I'm sure you absolutely have a yearly contract for x amount of samples. And as much as you throw 500 dollars around and more, plus so willing to dump money on janos. I am sure you have the funds to dump 10 or 20 grand on jano to keep him pumping out good tests for you. It's been rumored that jano has been compromised for at least a year now. It would be the perfect scam also, build trust as the authority on ugl aas. Charge to test and charge too alter results, or swap samples. It would be easy as typing a diff. Number for him.
You know what though I have a counter offer. I'll leave anything to do with you alone, if people want to put their trust in you. And if you are underdosing or underfilling. Plus people know for fact that one or the other is true. Then continue buying whatever your selling. Including your hot sauce and socks. That's a problem between you and them. Fuck it.
I am more than happy to let him send to Analiza if he wants, I always give that offer anytime people have skepticism towards Jano.
Not even alter test or samples at this point I'm thinking jano is just sending them a page of the sample test per there request of what they need.
Jano has more of a reputation to uphold than we do, by a mile. You think he would put that on the line for a couple extra bucks out of me?
If this were the case, do you think I would spend 2 grand testing 16 samples of HGH, for them to all come back with 94-95% purity, and post those on my website? Just by way of example.
It's just a theory bro
Can't a poor guy just enjoy getting tortured without all the judgement around here.
You're right tho. In a matter of hours this thread will be DOMINATED by dudes swearing up and down that K4L is the best and just hoping for some free bunk gear to get tossed their way.
Let the army roll in! Most accounts not over a month old too going to tear everyone up! Watch out!!!!
Hahahaha you're not wrong!
Oh yeah, I didn't take it the wrong way. I didn't wanna assume the test is under dosed and start calling K4L out because I know that they have a loyal group of protectors and I dont aim to upset anyone, so I figured id get some feedback from you guys first before I contacted them.
You did nothing wrong this is why this forum is such a good thing
Ok, tortured sometimes. Really depends
I’ve ran k4l gh and test E once when they first came on this site and once a year later . Hated their gear both times . Gh gave me chest pain and the test I felt was underdosed . Been running gear for over 10 years and you know when something is off . What I’m getting at is I do not like their products
Everything I’ve ever ran from them sucked. I got comped for the orals that did nothing at all, cialis, Anadrol, winny, var, none did ANYTHING, so I tried more and the test was underdosed for sure. I don’t have labs to make the claim but it was 100%. I’ve been doing this long enough to know as well. I just got rid of it went to a new brand and moved on
Testosterone powder filling machine must be out of cal. Always something going wrong with those temu roid brewing machines.
Buy american I say.
This is literally the ONLY source I have ever bashed because I wasted a good $600 on horse shit. One order I did get credit for the orals I didn’t like, I had no response to any, n so to redeem the credit I had to match minimum again and order, and I absolutely hated everything. I have never once gotten orals where I felt nothing. I went all the way to 150mg Anadrol and nothing. Got my friend Tbol (his fav) felt nothing. Took 4 tabs of cialis, nothing. Stacked the winny and var, nada. There was not one thing i liked. Never have i ever. The only source that burned me worse was meta cuz i got actually nothing, at least i got some under dosed test here.
Send me an email with all of your order #s. I'll refund you for every dime you've ever spent with us. The last thing I want is your money if you weren't satisfied with what you paid for. @Petecastiglione
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Thx
Not counting on a response tho
You gave me store credit for most of the first one, but I still needed to order a minimum to use it, so I got some more things. I actually say all the time that you took care of that one. I’m not looking for any money back, I actually have tried a few kits of snow cap A for my first order and liked it. Then got deluxe H with part of the store credit for orals but the oils i also purchased in the order I got I hated too but didn’t because I didn’t want anymore freebies. I’m not a taker. I made a total of 4 orders. Even my first pic I posted shouts out the gh
In any case, I'm happy to go above and beyond for you and reimburse you further for any of the products you weren't happy with.
YOOO that is FUUCKED. it's also crazy AF that the janos are always spot on. It all seems so SUS.
It’s sus cuz it makes no sense I literally wanted to like this source and just got burned bad. 750mg of test felt like 250, I’ve competed in powerlifting and bodybuilding and have done this shit for years. If my state wasn’t such a pain in the ass with blood work I would’ve gotten it but I just switched brands. The rest of the test I had I gave to a friend that’s on trt and he said he felt worse
Temu Roids lol you crack me up
Hahaha you know all that shit is in the same factory over there. Don't be surprised one day when a pack lands and there's some random knock off hello kitty shit in there with ur tren.
Lmao
Exactly the crazy thing is if that's true they could potentially be pushing contaminated oils I see other ppl buy oils from China but they filter them when they receive them @Mikeyt84LINY put me on game regarding this...
SMH,, people will still defend k4L in this and be ready to hop on their knees. And people are still buying from them after they straight lied about what they were selling. Cmon people wake up!! How much fucking in the ass will it take?!?! I mean unless you're into that. Some people like getting beat punished tortured. Enjoy.
K4L is typically good on dose for their test c. There’s really no reason to under dose it since it’s so cheap to make, it really doesn’t do the company any good. I’m not saying your vial is fine, but I’d reach out to Ben and see if he’ll cover testing (I’m sure he will).
I’m almost leaning towards something else going on here vs just saying your test is under dosed. Even if it was HALF dosed at 100mg per ml that still puts you at 200mg/wk which would have your test levels above where you are typically. So I highly doubt it’s the mg potency of your vial. I’m currently on K4L test C and it’s right on the money.
I don’t think mast or dbol would pull your actual test levels down, they’d affect other markers probably (like e2 etc).
You can always try pinning 3x a week see if the peaks and troughs helped since you mentioned you did your test at the next pin time (I’d still doubt this was the issue due to the longer esters).
Thanks for posting labs, keep us updated!
Check out the SteroidPlotter graph I posted above, would like to hear your thoughts.
Someone in here will ridicule and hate on me or call me a fanboy even though I’ve only just started on your guys stuff and only have 2 orders in lol. I checked the graph and it seems correct with your statement about the trough- especially with the SHBG being lowered due to Mast, which in turn is raising the free available testosterone. I really only even pay attention to that number more so than my total.
If it helps, I just had my bloodwork done on 5 weeks of K4L test cyp and it came back at 1930 and that’s 220mg. We won’t really know until he tests the actual vial he is using which I assume will come by next week on results (and if in the money like the batch is, I wonder what people will say then LOL). Could it be a botched vial? Maybe, but like I doubt it in all honesty. Especially if that batch tested pretty well one would question why a single vial would end up bad from a larger and well rated company. AGAIN- not a fan boy just pointing out obvious shit. I’m new to this forum and to K4L but been at this for 12 years. I’ve gotten test from sketch places and it’s the one compound I’ve never had an issue with.
I’ll stand by this not as a fanboy because I don’t care where I get it from as long as it’s good/safe stuff... I doubt it’s the testosterone potency man. If this was results on another harder to get compound, say primo/mast/etc I’d question it. But we are talking about the cheapest and easiest shit to make at your kitchen sink if you had to. The lowest I’ve seen your guys test is the enanthate 250mg coming in was like 230’s. Cyp was pretty on par across the board, even my personal vial came back at 188mg of listed 200mg which is a variable margin. Enanthate being low lately (from what I’ve seen in testing) is pretty typical lately across all companies with the raws available.
I’m not even defending, I just don’t think any company within the top 15 in the US let alone globally on a big forum like this will sell bunk testosterone of all things. Unless you’re paying off Jano just to fake testosterone results which would be crazy to do lol (a joke).
I’m waiting for Gotem69 or any other guy to tell me to get off my knees LOL.
It could be any company that posts their jano tests and is highly rated, I’d be saying the same thing if it’s about testosterone doses.