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+ 1 Cycle: Sustanon, NPP, Winstrol (Cutter)

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Introduction
This Sustanon, NPP and Winstrol cycle is a cutter. It uses the short esters available in each of the aforementioned compounds to reduce water retention while gaining lean muscle mass.

Ester Information
An ester is simply a chain of atoms made up from both carbon and hydrogen - the ester is then attached to the main compound (in this case using AAS steroids - whether it be testosterone or trenbolone for example) at the 17-carbon position. Longer esters have more atoms in its chain at the 17-carbon position, thus increasing the time for the human body to break down that particular molecular chain before it breaks down the main compound.

I hear you ask, what is the purpose of an ester? - Well, esters increase the half-life of the compound it is attached to, and by doing so, one can pin (inject) less often, while crucially maintaining stable blood levels. Products like testosterone propionate require more frequent injections (preferably ED/EOD) in comparison to Testosterone Enanthate (E3D/E4D).

In order to illustrate my aforementioned point, i have presented below a list of the number of carbon atoms situated in each ester:

Formate: 1
Acetate: 2
Propionate: 3
Butyrate: 4
Valerate: 5
Hexanoate: 6
Heptanoate: 7
Enanthate: 7
Octanoate: 8
Cypionate: 8
Nonanoate: 9
Decanoate: 11

Additionally, the data below represents the ester half-life.(The pattern to notice is the more carbon atoms there are, the lengthier the half-life)

Formate: 1.5 days
Acetate: 2 days
Propionate: 3 days
Phenylpropionate: 4.5 days
Butyrate: 6 days
Valerate: 7.5 days
Hexanoate: 9 days
Caproate: 9 days
Isocaproate: 9 days
Heptanoate: 10.5 days
Enanthate: 10.5 days
Octanoate: 12 days
Cypionate: 12 days
Nonanoate: 13.5 days
Decanoate: 15 days
Undecanoate: 16.5 days

At this point in time, you may have came to the conclusion that there is no need for short-esters, since there simply is no need to be pinning unnecessarily. However, there are many more factors to consider before you begin purchasing your long-estered variants, such as the rate of aromatisation/estrogen conversion and blood level volatility for example.

The evidence for this argument results from understanding what esters are - the main variable in comparing esters is their affinity towards water retention, and at what rates the sub-cutaneous water retention is experienced. Experienced AAS users will strongly agree that the water retention experienced through running a long-estered variant such as testosterone enanthate in comparison to testosterone propionate (whereby the main compound in each product is testosterone) is significantly higher. Therefore, these experienced AAS users will tend to use the longer estered variants in their off-season and the short ester variants towards pre-contest preparations. Additionally, these sides such as increased water retention from long-estered testosterone help increase the chances of obtaining other sides such as gyno.

19-nor-progesterone Compounds
Nandro-Phenylpropionate is a 19-nor-progesterone compound and a shorter estered variant of the well-known Deca (a.k.a. Deca Durabolin, Nandrolone Deconate). While using 19-nor-progesterone compounds, AI's use during the cycle is mandatory. AI's such as Aromasin or Arimidex should be used alongside Letrozole (Letro) or Cabergoline (Caber) or Pramipexole (Prami) or Bromocriptine (Bromo).

Caber, prami, bromo and letro would be used in addition to an AI (such as asin adex - caber, prami, bromo and letro are also AI's but are much stronger variants). An AI controls the estrogen production and caber prami, bromo and letro are anti-prolactins used for 19-nor-progesterone compounds such as NPP, Deca or Tren.

Pinning these Compounds
The three compounds involved are short esters (sustanon has two short esters, namely testosterone propionate and testosterone phenylpropionate, in addition to two long esters such as testosterone deconate and testosterone isocaproate), therefore they inherently need to be pinned ideally ED, however EOD will suffice, in order to maintain stable blood levels.

Pinning Breakdown
NPP: 100mg/EOD (M/W/F) - Pin EOD in the same syringe as the Sustanon.
Sustanon: 250mg/EOD (M/W/F) - Pin EOD in the same syringe as the NPP.
Winstrol: 50mg/ED - If you are using injectable winstrol, pin in the same syringe as the NPP and Sustanon and on the days that you are not pinning the NPP and Sustanon, then pin 50mg on its own.

How to Control Prolactin
These steroids: deca and tren are from the 19-nor testosterone family are recognized by the body as progestins. Progestins have the ability to increase prolactin levels. Prolactin is responsible for "deca dick" or puffy nipples (or even leaking nipples!) when running a cycle like this.

So in addition to running an AI like Arimidex or Aromasin to take care of estrogen, we must also run ancillaries to take care of prolactin. Our most common choices are Cabergoline, Bromocriptine, and Pramipexole. Typically Cabergoline is recommended since it is easy to dose and must only be taken once or 2x a week.

Pramipexole
Pramipexole also known as mirapex, is a dopamine agonist similar to Cabergoline. It raises dopamine levels which lowers prolactin levels. Pramipexole is actually more effective in terms of prolactin supression. Prami is also low cost. Prami has many benefits in addition to prolactin suppression. Prami has been shown to increase GH levels by up to 300% (in normal healthy men)for 2 hours after dosing. Prami is also safe to use long term. Unlike Caber which can cause Cardiac and noncardiac fibrotic reactions.

Dosing:
The most important thing to know about Prami is you NEED to SLOWLY increase your dose. As slow as possible means more gradual change and less side effects. If done correctly you can have a very small amount of side effects or none at all.
Starting dose is typically 0.25mg, but if possible try half of this dose. So first few days do 0.125mg, after that if you have little to no bad sides, increase to 0.25mg.
For prolactin supression, 0.25mg ed is usually plenty, but you can go all the way up to 0.5mg if necessary.
Another thing is Prami is usually taken right at night about 1 hour before bedtime. This is because it can cause lethargy, which isn't a problem while you are sleeping. To get the GH benefits, you need to dose higher in the 1-2 mg range.

Cabergoline
Cabergoline also known as dostinex or caber, is another dopamine agonist. It has a very long half life, so it can be taken once or twice a week. Unfortunately Caber can be expensive, but if you have the funds or if you get a good deal on it than it's worth it. Caber is also known to have low side effects in MOST people. (note caber is not stable in liquid form)

Dosing:
For your average cycle including test and about 400mg of deca, 0.25mg two times per week is usually enough to keep prolactin under control. If that is not enough you can bump up to three times per week or even 0.5mg two times per week. You really have to find what works for you but start low and adjust if necessary.
Give caber about 2-3 weeks to kick in before deciding the dosage needs to be changed.

Bromocriptine
Bromocriptine also known as Parlodel is another dopamine agonist. I have not personally used this myself, but I will say that Bromo is another viable option to help reduce prolactin.
Bromo is known to be a little harsh on side effects, but some people tolerate it well. It is a little harder to find, but if you do bromo is very cheap.

Dosing:
Bromo dosages range from 1.25 to 15mg. It has a short half life so must be taken 2 or 3x a day.
For prolactin control You can start at 2.5mg per day by splitting one 2.5mg tablet and taken twice a day. If that is not enough bump up to 2.5mg twice per day.

How to control prolactin - Thanks to j223.

**Week****NPP****Sustanon****Winstrol****Cabergoline****Aromasin****Nolvadex****Clomid**
Week 1300mg/wk750mg/wk0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 2300mg/wk750mg/wk0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 3300mg/wk750mg/wk0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 4300mg/wk750mg/wk0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 5300mg/wk750mg/wk0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 6300mg/wk750mg/wk0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 7300mg/wk750mg/wk50mg/ED0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 8300mg/wk750mg/wk50mg/ED0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 9750mg/wk50mg/ED0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 10750mg/wk50mg/ED0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 11750mg/wk50mg/ED0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 12750mg/wk50mg/ED0.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 130.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 140.5mg/E3D12.5mg/EOD
Week 1512.5mg/ED20mg/ED100mg/ED
Week 1612.5mg/ED20mg/ED100mg/ED
Week 176.25mg/ED10mg/ED50mg/ED
Week 186.25mg/ED10mg/ED50mg/ED
humpnpump's picture

Like it. NPP is awesome and really helps out the joints when winny is used. This could be a recomp as well.

klaydo68's picture

Bery nice my brother well thought out cycle and great info only thing id do different personally is go straight eod with pinning m, w, f, sun, tues, thur, sat, mon etc but i see y u set it up this way for others great job bro

levelup's picture

if you are pinning sust eod what is the benefit with going with sust over prop?

j223's picture

This is a decent setup, the sust will go good with npp.

There are MANY variations to this cycle, P was just showing us one of them.

I have heard people having really good success with using test/npp/anavar so the winny can be switched for var.

Test ester does not really matter, but sust makes sense since the NPP shots will be 3x a week as well. Not sure about prop but I only notice it for a day so I agree it's probably best to shoot ed

levelup's picture

thanks brotha was just inquiring for knowledge

P's picture

When I use prop, I prefer to pin it ED to maintain stable blood levels and a prop, NPP, winny cycle is another option for people who want to pin ED for 6-8 weeks, however, for the more intermediate user pinning EOD (M/W/F) should prepare them for the ED pinning.

levelup's picture

thats a very good point...didnt really think it thru, i prefer ed on prop as well