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I'm planning on running GHRP-2 and Mod GRP (1-29) at 100mcg 3x a day.
Has anyone had any experiences with running these synergistic compounds w/ or w/o AAS compounds at saturation dosages and what were your experiences and recommendations.
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Took both of these mid last year. The main thing that I noticed was dropping the BF quickly. With in 5 min of pinning I was starving. Was on it with AAS and maintained weight while dropping fat. Personally though I think I woud rather spend the cash on reall GH. But give it a go and experience it yourself. Best way to learn in my book.
That's exactly the kind of personal experience i was looking for. I've been running this pep combo for a week now and started it half way through my PCT. I struggled to maintain my gains throughout my PCT, my BF% increased by 2% and weight stayed the same, but once i introduced this pep combo, BF% dropped within a 3 days - i always have good healthy skin, but this combo enhanced my skin, quality sleep (since i my last dose is >3hrs before bed) and in actual fact, i've gained weight during my PCT. I do like this pep combo and will be running it for 2 more months now - i've also got some GH on the way which i will substitute into my regime and will cycle between the two.
Good stuff mate. I didn't mind it just got sick of pinning that 3 times a day plus the AAS as well that was EOD. felt like every time I turned around I had a needle stuck in me
LMAO, I played it conservatively with the peps because i wasn't 100& sure if i could mix these 2 peps together, so i ended up pinning 6 times a day + AAS + hCG. I'm glad i found out that these 2 peps can be mixed, saves me half the pinning.
Haha fuck that. Now thats what you call a pin cusion.
In my experience, im running these compounds right now, im feeling very little hunger, little bloat, a little faster recovery. skin is getting better. GHRP-2 raises GH and peaks in 30 min then slowly tapers down to normal for 2h and half. so i take GHRP-2 every three hours at 100mcg 4-5x a day. Although i ll be increasing the dose to 200mcg. dont expect crazy results , u ll need to run the GHRP-2 for 4-6 month to notice the results. make sure u take the stuff on an empty stomach.
How do you find GHRP-2 and Mod GRF (1-29) compare to HGH?
From my readings i've found that;
Also if you look at these graphs you can see the synergistic effect both peptides have in relation to natural GH secretion;
This picture below looks at the individual effects of each of the peps have on the secretion of GH in elderly people and also looks at the synergy both have, while also modifying the ratio of GHRP-2 and Mod GRF (1-29).
The graph below shows that pulsing your GHRP-2 and Mod GRF (1-29) has a greater affect on your natural GH production than a continuous flurry of GH secretion.
GHRP is not better then HGH. with HGH u notice it alot more then GHRP. Still taking GHRP is still beneficial because overtime it can hold up to some degree of effectiveness as HGH. I take GHRP for long times , its super cheap and easy to obtain. but most people will tell u that HGH is around 3x better as it raises ur gh around 3x times higher then peptides. I think there are alot of variables and these studies dont explore all the parameters. I would like to hear other members have other opinions on this. The effects of GHRP is minimal, but overtime its worth it IMO. i read a study where 100mcg of ghrp raises a subject's gh level by 170ng/dl so it still does work
This statement from Mike Arnold confirms majority of the other research i've read regarding the effectiveness of the combo vs GH
*"GH is GH, whether it is produced by the pituitary or made in the lab. The body does not know any difference. Gh peps cause the pituitary to release GH, while regular GH is simply injected straight into the body from an exogenous source (such as a lab).
One difference between GH peps and GH is that injectable GH stays active in the body for much longer...probably 4X longer, but at the same time, injectable GH does not result in a very large spike (compared to GH peps), unless the dosage is very high. GH peps result in a large burst of GH which lasts for a shorter period of time than injectable GH, but the spikes are much higher...anywhere between 2-10X higher, depending on the dose of both the GH peps and GH.
For example: A single 100 mcg dose of GHRP-2 & modGRF1-29 will result in a GH spike about 2-3X higher than a single 7 IU dose of injectable Gh administered all at once. However, this 7 IU inject will last stay active 3-4X as long as the GH peps. How long GH remains active in the body will have a considerable impact on its effectiveness. This is why a 7 IU inject of GH will crush a single 100/100 mcg inject of GH peps. "*
GHRP/GHRH stack more effective than HGH??
I don't necessarily agree with everything he's mentioned in the article, but the parts which i have seen a correlation on with other studies have confirmed my initial thought process.
i dont know brother, i been talking to alot of ppl and they all said HGH, if peps were really that good, then body builders would switch to peps instead of HGH.
tread-mOk so here's where my mind goes at the risk of sounding like some asshole stuffy Ivy L professor. Sometimes its not the answer that's wrong, its the question.
So here's my opinion. As I got older my mindset changed and I begin to always include the health aspect in the equation and in fact, its the largest part of the equation. So the question for me, even to a younger guy, would be this...What are the long term health implications to either route above and in fact, is oje safe and another not? I much prefer to add 191 to the body over the long term as opposed to prompting more natty. I don't more the more natty thought in spurts say on cycle etc but not long haul. My view in the long haul
I agree to some extent tread. Yes i believe GHRP-2 and Mod GRF(1-29) are great when on cycle and even into PCT and for that matter year round. However, I think that if someone is pinning >3x a day then their last shot would benefit from either a GH pin or an Ipamorelin pin due to its comparatively slow releasing characteristics, which would result in a more productive sleeping pattern - and throughout the day a combination of GHRP-6/GHRP-2 could be used to pulse natty GH, which, evident from the graph above proves that GH spikes are far more effective than a constant supply of GH.
For the long term benefits, we know that GH has a positive effect on our health, but the question dies down to which is 'healthier' in terms of longevity and effectiveness, pinning GH or stimulating natty GH production. This is still an area surrounded by shadows in my opinion as there is no clear answer currently...
interesting... well im only going off of the little experience i have with HGH but i know tread has alot of experience with HGH. I ll hit him up on his hot line , would like to hear his opinion on this.