Rich Piana Bigger by the Day cycle written out
Hey guys just thought I’d post that cycle Rich did a few years back since the way he explained it was a bit complex
Week 1: 900 mg
150 mg TE (M/W/F)
100 mg Deca (M/W/F)
50 mg Masteron (M/W/F)
2.25 IU hGH/day
Week 2: 1,350 mg
225 mg TE (M/W/F)
150 mg Deca (M/W/F)
75 mg Masteron (M/W/F)
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 3: 1,800 mg
300 mg TE (M/W/F)
200 mg Deca (M/W/F)
100 mg Masteron (M/W/F)
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 4: 2,080 mg
300 mg TE (M/W/F)
200 mg Deca (M/W/F)
100 mg Masteron (M/W/F)
40 mg/day Dbol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 5: 2,220 mg
300 mg TE (M/W/F)
200 mg Deca (M/W/F)
100 mg Masteron (M/W/F)
60 mg/day Dbol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 6: 2,220 mg
900 mg TE (M)
600 mg Deca (W)
300 mg Masteron (F)
60 mg/day Dbol
Week 7: 2,360 mg
900 mg TE (M)
600 mg Deca (W)
300 mg Masteron (F)
80 mg/day Dbol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 8: 2,500 mg
900 mg TE (M)
600 mg Deca (W)
300 mg Masteron (F)
100 mg/day Dbol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 9: 2,600 mg
300 mg TC (M/W/F)
200 mg Tren E (M/W/F)
250 mg EQ (M/W/F)
50 mg/day Anadrol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 10: 2,950 mg
300 mg TC (M/W/F)
200 mg Tren E (M/W/F)
250 mg EQ (M/W/F)
100 mg/day Anadrol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 11: 3,300 mg
300 mg TC (M/W/F)
200 mg Tren E (M/W/F)
250 mg EQ (M/W/F)
150 mg/day Anadrol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 12: 3,300 mg
900 mg TC (M)
600 mg Tren E (W)
750 mg EQ (F)
150 mg/day Anadrol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 13: 3,300 mg
900 mg TC (M)
600 mg Tren E (W)
750 mg EQ (F)
150 mg/day Anadrol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 14: 3,300 mg
900 mg TC (M)
600 mg Tren E (W)
750 mg EQ (F)
150 mg/day Anadrol
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 15: 1,200 mg
200 mg TP (M)
100 mg Primobolan (M/W/F)
Taper Anadrol
Replace with 100 mg/day Anavar
4.5 IU hGH/day
Week 16: 1,000 mg
100 mg Primobolan (M/W/F)
100 mg/day Anavar
4.5 IU hGH/day
Weeks 17-19: PCT
7,500-15,000 IU hCG
4.5 IU hGH/day
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orals with no breaks, yikes. he was very against orals though
Wow.. That would be expensive!!
Great way to build up... I like it... Let me just say Rich takes ten times more than this though or did...
I whole heartedly believe he was on like 40 units of slin, but tbh I don’t think he took that much more in anabolics only because you hit an inverted curve of effectiveness. My rule of thumb is a stack should be 10-13mg per kg of body weight. For me as of this morning that puts my stack limit between 1,031mg to 1,341mg. Rich at his biggest was up to 24mg per kg, I can’t imagine any extra helping him
Trust me he was taking more. Also Over time you have to take more. Trust me I run more gear than what is in this cycle. This is a medokra cycle... watch his YouTube about him explaining his dosages. I feel like he was taking ten time more... Hgh was around 20 or 30ius a day...
Agreed!
I no longer respect of believe ANYONE who is pushing 100lbs above their "optimal height to weight ratio" that says "more drugs doesn't equal more growth" unless of course one is not also EATING MORE and RECOVERING MORE as well!!!
If you are not eating more and recovering more (sleep...not necessarily less training time) then of course taking more drugs will not help.
I have verified this with my own personal guinea pig. As time goes on, dosages need to go up to continue seeing gains and along with that FOOD and REST/SLEEP.
The gains will continue.
There was a time that said guinea pig thought 200lbs on a 5"5" frame was impossible...it was, at those current dosages and nutrition levels. Give the guinea pig higher doses and more food...and it grew to what was once impossible to fathom.
Since then, the guinea pig continues to grow and at a far more exponential rate in the past 5years than the entire previous 15yrs...only change was slow incremental increases to AAS and FOOD along with sleep.
When the guinea pig is on good form with eating and sleeping the drugs optimize everything as it should for maximal growth and holding weight that is now the new norm of at least 225lbs with little added effort.
Decided to hit 230 then 235 and a max of 238lbs with unheard of speed (in comparison to previous experience) and actually had to SLOW DOWN and reverse course.
Complete agreement with Bulk.
This cycle is very much mediocre and certainly NOT an accurate account of what his likely HIGHER amounts were. Let's be real, the dude abused EVERY drug he got his hands on including narcotics when paid to show up sober at Expos.
He shared a lot of good info but as per the norm, hid much in regards to his own personal dosages and use.
Every Elite to Pro level athlete has GOOD GENETICS...so please stop with the bs "I only use low dosages" to turn pro or be Mr. Olympia etc. etc. and the rest of us will start listening again.
Very few pros are worth listening too in the first place because many of them have even less experience than some on this board. They hire a coach or wing it.
Need proof...Shawn Roden. From what I read he barely if ever did much bloodwork and why he nearly died prior to becoming Mr. O. He was the most recent to admit his lack of personal self care while obviously abusing a ton of AAS etc.
I just would really like these guys to take better care of themselves (I do my best to do so but not perfect) much less than go and pretend that low dose gear use is what made them the CHAMPIONS they are today.
It was a ton of proper training, food, sleep/recovery and DRUGS over many years (most decades with rare exception like rammy who they decided to make up time with even more drugs in a similar nature like McCarver. RIP) that made these guys CHAMPION of champions.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but its like believing that every stripper was just doing it for her post secondary education fund...sure, maybe one of every thousand. =)
I agree with your opinion, my simple way of looking at it though is at what point does your food begin to be impossible to increase further and then you’re unable to utilize your gear more. Like Justin Compton is someone I talk to a good amount and his life was just his eating, getting up to 8000 calories in the off-season, he utilized insulin to be able to consumer and process this much. But at what point was he unable to continue that? Essentially what is the ratio to gear to food volume, like stacks of 5000mg in total per week to like 8000 calories. Or is that a person to person thing depending on your genetics and response to gear
I believe when the term "good genetics" comes to mind that it really entails ones ability to handle more gear.
Many will disagree some may agree but having the ability for your body to absorb more and use it for said purpose is in itself something that may play a significant role in being a CHAMPION among champions.
Is there a price to pay...likely but many have gone unscathed just as we've seen a smaller number no longer with us and far to soon.
Bloodwork, BP monitoring and being truthful about "your overall sense of wellbeing" are things that many do not consider when pushing limits. My body seems to tell me after a set time period of pushing "hey dude, lets chill and reset for a short time" and after 4-6weeks of doing so I am ready again.
Bloodwork doesn't always show me something to be concerned about even thought my BODY is telling me otherwise. Trust your intuition, it is bestowed upon us or a reason!
A regular push of 2-3000mgs of Test along with 1500mgs of Deca and 900mg of EQ is not uncommon and with the regular vitamin regime for organ and overall health no tested or felt side effects cause for concern.
A short splash of an oral compound (starting to consider using their injectable versions) when needed for 4-6weeks and hitting 5K is pretty easy.
The biggest challenge next to drug tolerance that does optimize processes is EATING. I fully admit that I've been slacking on that myself and only getting in about 3000-3600cals in daily.
When I purposefully get 4500-5000cals I know I will see some marketable improvement in quality gains much less those few times I pushed 6000cals.
Do we have a "natural and non natural" genetic limit on how much one can tolerate and eat, yes I am sure we all do but it will (like everything else) be individual dependent.
I couldn't fathom looking like much less eating like Lee Priest did much of his off season although we are comparable in height, he did have a much larger bone structure. He hit 280lbs in the grow season and ate everything in sight.
As much as I love to eat and don't necessarily eat for enjoyment rather than purpose if needed, I just don't see sitting at a very fat 280lbs being worthwhile or healthy at that height.
I've always had the "slow and steady" mindset for growth because as a smaller athlete my best way to win was my conditioning along with symmetry/balance/proportion/shape while MASS was always a challenge.
Staying lean enough to see abs/intercostals in the grow season is just "me" while I am sure I could get much heavier but at that point I don't see the pros outweighing the cons. If I just wanted to be the Vic Richards of the short guys than by all means.
However especially as I get older, I value my health even more so by making increases in gear/food/sleep as needed and at a pace my body can handle while minimizing sides. I may and may never hit 250lbs in the grow season but I have to remember even 200lbs was once a MYTH.
At 225-230 nude morning weight, the slow and steady yet PROGRESSIVE method has proven to work!
Very good point all around, and I understand your feelings on size and health. Since I’m 5’11” my end goal is 280 in the off-season, basically 50 pounds heavier than now. Haven’t started slin or GH (was going to do my first cycle of GH then covid hit) but I know I’ll need to utilize those to get there. But the crazy fucking part is that I would need to from there add another 50 pounds to be a top IFBB pro level size in the off-season. So I see your reasoning behind what you say when you say genetics and limits and push those limits. Top guys literally are willing to die for this shit, and I hate to say idk if I am. I’m young so maybe in 10 years I’ll achieve my goal but we shall see
I'm also 5'11, and I personally found myself hovering at 245 in an off season, using about 1800mg of oils. I've also not touched GH (significantly) or insulin (at all) yet, and i'm not sure I want to. GH, I would if I could afford to run it for a year or so, just to see what kind of long term change benefit I would receive, but if it started making my mid-section look like shit, then i'd drop that shit in a heartbeat. Then again, i'm not a die hard competitor in that way. My primary interest in gear is to live enhanced, and even tho I know i'm cashing in some of my later years, longevity. Not in the sense of existing until im in my 90s or even 80s, but in the sense of, I want to continue to train the way I love, well into the remaining years of my life.
As top pros from the 90s and early 2000s have retired or getting in their "3rd retirement" shows in I am just getting ready to embark on my second Pro career in 2021. Non-tested this time of course.
Likely have 3-5 quality competitive years and when you minus the "death preps" of all those years and just focusing mostly on growing (literally competed twice in 20yrs) its been slow and steady GAINZ.
A final blast should my body be up for it...make some money, add some trophies to the collection and be done and still likely healthier than most who have been competing straight for the last decade.
I wouldn't worry how big you get so long as the competition weight is solid. No point putting on 100lbs and then having to chisel off 80 and piss out 15 for 5 solid ones.
Hit that 280 and show up at a solid 230-235lbs. You'll be highly conditioned and so long as shape/symmetry/proportion/balance are good you'll look incredible. Plus you'll look far bigger under stage lights anyway.
I feel like i've used 2000mg total grams of gear and saw better results than 1200mg. However, It's when I use tren enth and ace for 2+ months that folks start saying, "wtf are you eating bro?"
Interesting. Makes much more sense laid out like this. I can see the various patterns and concepts he used to create it. Running EQ like that kind of goes against what most of us would ever consider using it for doesnt it? We always talk about how its a long acting ester and a compound that needs to be ran longer than most anabolics to reap long lasting tissue gains. But here he has it as a masteron upgrade for just the middle segment of the cycle.
I was just talking about this cycle!