I see threads all over the place, on several forums where people are asking "whats the best thing to use to loose weight" or "what fat burners are the best" blah blah blah.

The honest truth is, you can take whatever you want. Clen, OEP, winny etc...but if you're eating like SHIT then NONE of it will work. I've recently burned from 28% bodyfat to 11.2% and am cleaning up well...how'd I do it? The same way every other successful person burns fat away. I ate correctly. Staying away from sugary foods, and following your macro's will do wonders for you. I think the biggest issue was the time. See, everyone expects to take that magic pill and it works instantly, but that's not the case. You have to be patient with your body. Give yourself some time to adapt, and let your work kick in. You didn't get fat over night, and you won't loose the shit over night either.

In my honest opinion, clen, winny, other cutting agents shouldn't be used until you're either A) in the final stages...if even at all, or if B) you're prepping for contest or a shoot.

In essence, (and I hope this helps) to loose the fat, and look better, find out what your maint. calorie intake is, knock it down between 400-700 calories, eat in your macros, and get your ass up and do some cardio. Teach yourself to say NO to the pizza, ice cream, donuts, and stay....I mean STAY out of the drive through windows. Clean eating, and the ability to train yourself is where it's at.

Eat to live-------don't live to eat.

By the way, I like this forum, even though my posting is minimal, I see whats going on here.

-Bartley929