so today I was being a bit lazy had a long night and I needed to hit gym! I needed to train legs and I was just out of it. my wife has some thermogenic pill otc, not gear. she had mentioned to me to try it because I was curious to see what jt felt lik! lol, well my curiousity got the best of me and wow I like it. dude I took one fucking ppill with some water and a little creatine and hit gym. I sweat my ass off and heart rate stayed elivated . so anyone looking for extra pep and sweat and burnong effect that doesnt run gear or isnt at the moment even may want to try. the energy was there, the core heating was there, and it helps u sweat and heart stayed up there but not overwgelming at least for me. just thought id share