-3 What to stack with var? cycle ideas
Age: 30+
cycle History: 10-15, just about anything.
weight: 238
Height: 5'11"
Workout: 5x5
Diet: spot on for 6 mo. No alcohol & sugar. Limited protein powder. Stick to solid foods, fruits, vegetables.
bf: 12-15 (still holding onto the midsection).
Training: On and off for 15+ years (been off for 2-3 years due to grad school with horrible diet and drinking during this time).
Goals: Trim, solid muscle, strength, no bloat, no acne
1.
Var: 75mg/ED - 8-10wks
EQ: 500mg/wk - 12wks
2.
Var: 75mg/ED - 7 wks
Tren Enanthate - 300mg 7 wks
3.
Var: 75mg/ED - 8-10wks
Masteron: 300mg/wk - 7wks
Tren Enanthate - 300mg/wk - 7wks
4.
Var: 75mg/ED - 10wks
Masteron: 400mg/wk - 10wks
Please don't suggest test (I know my body better than you). I have use old school Fina about 4-5 times but never Tren E. or Masteron so that is why everything is up in the air. I will post before/after pics to show gains. Still acquiring everything but this is where I'm at.
PCT and Anti-E's are to be determined but need to figure this out first. Help is appreciated.
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juiceinatorWhy don't you just go back to elite and see what they have to say
little rageThanks I did. Trying to see what my options are from everyone. Been on there since 2001 but wanted to branch out for other people's thoughts.
I think what he meant was go back and don't come back here.
little rageThanks captain obvious =)
Different boards are flooded with people with diverse expertise so I'll stick around and see what others have to offer.
just a noobie fishing for the answers he wants... let him do what he wants and we'll just chalk it up to natural selection
juiceinatorLol in my edited post I said I'll just let Darwin take care of your ass. This isn't just some regular noob though seems as though he's a regular at ef.com that's what he said in his other forum post
I like option 3, might run a little higher on the masteron and tren though.
On the tren include some caber, will help with keeping the prolactin down and reduces the sides.
I like to switch from tren e to tren a for the last few weeks leans me out a little more and clears quicker in prep for PCT.
HCG is also good while on, will aid recovery post cycle. Also helps stop the old raisin nuts look and feel ;-)
lol really you like option 3 WOW
Well if he's not going to include test then yeah, I'd add it in personally but he already said that it wasn't a consideration.
advising someone to run that cycle is crazy even if he is a dumb fuck that is going to do it anyway.
little ragesolid info. How many weeks prior from your pct did you stop tren e and switch over? I have HCG on hand so that is always a thought. Thanks.
Somewhere between 2-4 weeks before I'm due to finish, perhaps a little earlier if I want to lean down more.
You may want to front load with the ace too will kick start things nicely, I run ace for the first few days of a cycle alongside the tren enanthate. Especially if it's a shorter cycle like anything up to 14 weeks.
jordan555ur dicks not gonna work lolololol eq tren and masteron all suppress your test levels thats why test is used as a base steroid ;)
little ragethanks pal, never knew that (sigh). I was trying to get information about the stacks that I posted. please don't respond with stupid shit.
jordan555o and stacks are good just need test
jordan555well look forward to ed homeboy.
zewiyour stack is good if it had TEST--its that simple..No need to get mad bro..
zewi"Please don't suggest test (I know my body better than you)." I'm not here to say I do and either is anyone here. Everyone here is sharing the expertise and it might be wise to take some of it. You say you haven't been really working out the last 3 years. So you haven't been on a cycle in at least 3 if not 4 years. So you were in your late mid 20's. When your natural test was still ok, and you might have pulled off one or two cycles where you recovered. But I doubt 15 or you have never done a true cycle.. You have reached 30 and from here on your natural test is going down fast. Either way you need to add TEST to this cycle if not--- mark my words if your an honest guy you will be back on here asking how to recover cause your body is shut down. Good luck bro that's all i can say--- But please listen to what people say--they are trying to help.
little ragethanks for the info but still does not apply to either of the stack that I asked about. My body doesn't agree with test or deca.
Your body doesn't agree with test? Your a bloke......right?
zewi"doesn't agree with test" How so? So we can help you out. Just because we say add test doesn't mean we are saying 1,000mg a week.. But you need some test in there, and it will benefit you in the long run.
little rageHave used test at 750, 500, and 250 with EQ, tren and I break out like crazy. Slim to none with EQ or Tren alone. I am married with kids and don't need to be barking at anything that walks by me. Some temporary libido loss is a risk that I can live with. No point of running test if I have to wear a sweatshirt during the summer. If I truly was concerned about the libido i'd add some proviron.
juiceinatorWanna know what happens when you run a cycle with no test? Or even drop test for a couple weeks on a nice cycle? Your fucking shriveled balls start killing you, aching, and your libido will be nil. Imagine wanting to have sex getting it up and then not caring. And my fiancés fucking hot. Wanna know how I know what this is like? Because I sold my fucking prop and fucked up. Fortunately I get shit quick enough where this won't last but running a full cycle like that I'd rather stick my balls in a food processor and feed them to starving Africans than run anyfucking cycle you posted up.
little rageYou are an idiot. I'm married and have no issues. If it would become an absolute concern i would incorporate 250mg of test, but that is a last resort.
juiceinatorLol when you cant get it up in four weeks have your wife call me ;)
juiceinatorEdit. I don't waste my time on retards.
These cycles are all just......strange. Running var for 2 weeks? Eq for 12 weeks? Let alone no test.
Propper rethink required.
Add test and confirm how old you are 30+ is a strange thing to write. For example I'm 32......
little rageThere is nowhere in the post that states var for 2 weeks. Learn to read and spell. Proper rethinking has been done but I'm up in the air with the compounds that I am looking to stack with var.
Fuck you, option one var weeks 8-10. Fuck off bellend. Learn to fucking cycle somewhere else.
Appologise for loosing it. I am dyslexic and get right pissed Off when people use it against me. But your still wrong:)
the guy is a troll. I wouldn't waste my time
Please dont suggest???? So go elsewhere......
little ragewaste of a post. thanks.
You've wasted the best resources on the net. Stay natural. Juice isn't gonna work well for you
thank you brother... read my post ;)
Some folks feed on negative attention. This dudes probably knee deep laughing. Your post is dead on!
i have a handful of issues with this post, but ill only address the most important 3.
1) what is the point of posting here if you say things like "please don't suggest .... whatever" . if you already have your mind made up, what is the point of asking? you're just going to google around until you hear what you want to hear anyways.
2)not to go off topic, but isn't 5x5 training terribly out-dated and archaic? also, it doesn't match your goals of staying trim and lean whatsoever
3)Lets see some pics of said 5'11" 240 lbs at 12% body fat please
little ragewhen a cycle is listed without test it is the end of the world. Every little 18-20 year old jumps on and is like "TEST IS DA BOMB." Sort of how these replies have been trending.
my body responds very well to a 5x5 program. It does match my goals of staying lean by increasing the intensity, weights used aside from the main compound exercise, and rest between sets. Not to mention that my food intake will be the main contributor of my gains.
There is a post in my profile from awhile back.
I think you should go spread your bullshit on another site.
My thoughts too bro re/training principle.
ikno you said dont say test but. you NEED test. even if it's a low trt dose. evbeeyone knos ther body better then everyone else but bro you need test. a cycle isn't. ompleterwithout it.
little rageCycles have been ran without test for years sorry to disappoint you, yes it does wonder and the majority of people need an inkling of it but I'll pass. Thanks for the input.
No test base equals a one way trip to shutdown city! nobody on here will condone running any cycle without the king in place.
100% an I dont get a plus 1 also hllywood :( I was typing at the same time! :(
Lmao! there you go bro..
hahaah! you're the best! ;) finally in the 30's!!
Nice! we were typing at the same time bro you deserved them
x2 ((SIGH))
not to mention cycles like 12wks/EQ OR 7wks/tren e shows you are not very well informed about compounds... my guess is that you are younger than you are putting up and looking for someone to validate a very bad idea you have
little ragei've done eq at 10, 12, 16 wks, and tren at 6, 8, 12 wks. I prefer shorter cycles and less time off as opposed to 14+ week cycles. And I'm 32.
X2 what a waste of time putting this post together imo.