So we dont know anything? Looks to me like you know shit.... trying to cut at 16 %
in my time i have been through more and have probably forgotten more than you will ever have sense enough to learn
Talkin bout eq and dbol are alike lol
The characters of Fraggle Rock know more about aas than you :-D
So he is talking back and forh with himself in this thread......... hmmm...... this is by far some of the dumbest shit i have ever seen on this site....by far lol
That and asking the same exact cycle questions just in different words. What a fool. You can pretend to be anyone on the Internet but you can't pretend to be smart. Lmao
ok, so how you going bro? first thing bro welcome to the site and i apoligise for all the misimformation below!!!
so ive read your stats and cycle history etc, now we like to promote safe efective use of aas on this site!!
so for you my recomendation would be to not run tren yet!!!
a simple yet effective cycle for you would be a test only cycle, probably test prop as your trying to cut and will yield less water weight, you will need an ai to run throughout cycle, and proper pct of atleast nolva and clomid!! you see more isnt better!! you could also research masteron, but still i wouldnt even recommend that for you quite yet, just really focus on your diet, training and sleep!!!! if your eating in a calorie deficit diet you will cut up the way you want to diet is key!!!!!!
I was going to lock this thread down but I won't. I want to see who steps up to the plate here. The OP has a lazy question. He could have done some homework first but ohh well. Now he's getting all kinds o conflicting info. Some of it is not only irresponsible but potentially dangerous to the guys health. I am not a rookie or novice when it comes to aas! I'm a young buck that came from the old school. I did things the wrong way. I ran tren only. I used multiple orals with no test base. I did all kinds of shit I shouldn't have. I learned along the way what was the right and wrong way to do things. We work hard around here to make sure no irresponsible info or advice is spread. Every now and then someone comes along and thinks that their way of thinking is bigger than the communities. It's NOT! Not on this site it isn't! So all this talk below about "Look how big that guy is, he runs tren only. You wana look like him? You should do that! These guys don't know what they're talking about".....N shit like that, it isn't going to be echoed outside this thread. Just because things were done differently back in the day (and some ppl still do it the old way) doesn't make it right and it damn sure doesn't make regurgitating it good advice! Where are the vets at? Bust this thread up!
Ahhh...anyway.....i put my 2 cent throughout the thread....i didnt bother with any advice cause i dont think he is smart enough to take advice when he is asking himself for advice and getting dumb feedback from himself lol
I may be completely wrong, and I know you guys can check this, after reading through this thread these two guys talk exactly the same...possibly the same guy trying to piss people off? Especially now that he got knocked into the red from last night
Brother... nitti asked me to come have a look at this thread...... reading through it i am totally fucking disgusted in some of the comments!!....... just to let everbody know who was involved in this i am seriously contemplating a MASS BANNING for all the fucking mis-information on here... these cycles pages used to be hallowed ground... NOW it seems to have turned into a free for all for all the numb cunts that think they know it all!....... get your fucking acts together fast gentlemen or its fucking lights out time...... no messing about anymore i am seriously fucking pissed off with this.
I've read alot of the guys posts who was telling him to take tren and I was surprised you guys weren't all over him awhile ago. But yea when I first got on here you and a few others jumped in to help me out with great advice. People seem less receptive nowadays however
Man Do test and anvar . and if you wanna add some more weight add eq too ! but don't forget if you only wanna add some gain , eq is very similar to Dbol though it gives you more solid and lean gain .
Man I am planning to do anvar and test , Search that , it seems you are new user , here is good website but don't expect these guys they give you good info except mods in this website 99 percent of ppl in this forum are total jerks that don't have any clue about bodybuilding and if you look at their pics they have disaster bodies, just do it yourself bra google search it .
Search for anvar and test . that cycle is good cycle . By the way im Italian too
You didn't list bodyfat which is kind of important
As for the cutting cycle, it really depends on your goals. Some steroids are very good for preserving muscle, testosterone, anavar, anadrol, primobolan.
if test/dbol was your last cycle then maybe you should try test anavar as a second cycle. That's more than enough anabolics to help you preserve muscle. Ultimately the cycle does not really matter, it's more about how your diet and cardio stack up. What were the dosages of your last cycle?
Mate don't listen all of these guys , most of these guys doesn't knw shiii , just search yourself , that anvar and test is good and I m going to do it too ,, let me tell you one thing judge people with who and where they are , open their pics if the had good bodies listen to them if not then probably if u have 7 years training u have better body than them so don't waste time ,,
me I had only 2 cycle in whole of my life and I have better body than most of these guys in here ...
Mate don't listen to these guy. Most of these guys don't know shiiii
Is that so? Lol. I see you took a nice hit on this thread. I think I'll let them tear into you. You're not giving the greatest advice. Your comment below about CobraMike and him not believing in running test only cycles. He is a monster of a man and old school. Just because he did it that way doesn't mean it's the right way. You're basically talking out your ass right now! Old heads have their way of doing things. They didn't have all the science we have today to back up the protocols we use. I'm not going to let you shit a over the way we do things around here! Check yourself bro!
Okay 16% not bad a little high but you should be able to drop the fat no problem.
Just run test E 600mg per week for 12 weeks for this cycle. Nothing else.
Your main focus will be on cardio and diet.
I would recommend fasted cardio. That is where you do not eat anything all night then when you wake up first thing in the morning hit cardio hard! 40 mins of medium intensity cardio. I like stair stepper because it is not miserable like treadmill, and more effective than elliptical, but if you are in to bicycling or running then do that. The key is to do this on an empty stomach!
Keep your diet high fats and low carbs. protein should be about 300g per day to help maintain muscle. Fats unsaturated - olive oil, avocado, fish, peanuts, almonds etc
carbs do mostly vegetables and complex carbs like granola or pasta or sweet potato.
proteins from meats such as chicken, seafood, eggs are all examples
Testosterone only will be best to help you keep gains. Anavar would not help because it will cause cramping and make cardio tough which is counter productive. You need to do LOTS of cardio this cycle and make your diet spot on and you will determine how much fat you really want to lose.
Lol ..... Just do test e .. this dude is telling you he is doing bodybuilding for 7 years and he had dbol and test e before , and u telling him to do now test only cycle .. That's why man u are skinny ...
Thats why your a banned idiot...and if you...which is your boy....same person been bodybuilding 7years and dont have enuf since to put together a fuckin cutting cycle......i bet you my ass if i do a test only cycle with my diet plan i can cut weight with an ai or provi if i chose to do it that way
Your just.........
this dude is telling you he is doing bodybuilding for 7 years and he had dbol and test e before , and u telling him to do now test only cycle .. That's why man u are skinny ...
He never said he was doing bodybuilding for 7 years.. lol all he said was 7 years training experience.
his goal was to cut so I laid out a simple yet effective cutting cycle. Why do you think you need to run anavar and eq and anything else if his goal is to simply lose fat? With the right diet in place and cardio he could lose a ton of fat with this cycle. Anavar will negatively effect cardio which is not helping in a cut. Test only considering it's his second cycle he will still make huge gains so I don't know what the issue is.
Dude u really don't know shit about this sport no disrespect , I already saw your pic what are you trying to say this guy , what do you wanna prove do you feel better if they tell you oh u are right , and u know everything about bodybuilding but at the end of the day people like you wont go anywhere with those bodies , you know if you were right then your body wont be in that shape so that means u are wrong somewhere , ITALIA there are some users in this website who doesn't knw much and instead giving you headache wont benefit you anything ...
this is his comment
Cobramike901 1 week ago @MakaveliCD7
Me personally I never believed in the "run test only" ur 1st few cycles. I believe more compounds the better so they work synergistically.
Now u decide do you wanna listen to some people who knows real about this sport or some amtuer who wanna just say we knws everything .. that's ur option bruh
I recommend you to use your brain bruh , that's your body and you are only one who can decide what is best for body , none of us cant see and monitor your body like you do .
Just let you know u gonna put more life more in danger with drinking and smoking rather than doing steroid , there is not even one evidence that some died or couldn't have kid because of steroid , if these was true all these bodybuilders wouldn't have kids now and would been dead by now .
another thing if you wanna follow these guys routine no problem but let me tell you people like Ronnie coleman who were doing comptetion since their 20s do you really thing they were doing only test cycle , if these guys were doing test cycle they weren't shit by now ,,
Bodybuilding is all about you , you should find it out ur self ,
AnonSo we dont know anything? Looks to me like you know shit.... trying to cut at 16 %
in my time i have been through more and have probably forgotten more than you will ever have sense enough to learn
Talkin bout eq and dbol are alike lol
The characters of Fraggle Rock know more about aas than you :-D
I always suspected those dozers were on the sauce!
AnonThey did deca and test
Italia1 and Castroaj are the same person. Nice catch guys!
bloody hell!!! I was thinking that too!!!!
AnonSo he is talking back and forh with himself in this thread......... hmmm...... this is by far some of the dumbest shit i have ever seen on this site....by far lol
ONE FINGER DEATH PUNCH FROM BROTHER NITTI........ FUCKING SWEET BROTHER
Bro fist!
Nice catch guys. I didn't even think of that.
It was all the bruhs. I wanted to throw my phone at a wall
That and asking the same exact cycle questions just in different words. What a fool. You can pretend to be anyone on the Internet but you can't pretend to be smart. Lmao
ok, so how you going bro? first thing bro welcome to the site and i apoligise for all the misimformation below!!!
so ive read your stats and cycle history etc, now we like to promote safe efective use of aas on this site!!
so for you my recomendation would be to not run tren yet!!!
a simple yet effective cycle for you would be a test only cycle, probably test prop as your trying to cut and will yield less water weight, you will need an ai to run throughout cycle, and proper pct of atleast nolva and clomid!! you see more isnt better!! you could also research masteron, but still i wouldnt even recommend that for you quite yet, just really focus on your diet, training and sleep!!!! if your eating in a calorie deficit diet you will cut up the way you want to diet is key!!!!!!
I was going to lock this thread down but I won't. I want to see who steps up to the plate here. The OP has a lazy question. He could have done some homework first but ohh well. Now he's getting all kinds o conflicting info. Some of it is not only irresponsible but potentially dangerous to the guys health. I am not a rookie or novice when it comes to aas! I'm a young buck that came from the old school. I did things the wrong way. I ran tren only. I used multiple orals with no test base. I did all kinds of shit I shouldn't have. I learned along the way what was the right and wrong way to do things. We work hard around here to make sure no irresponsible info or advice is spread. Every now and then someone comes along and thinks that their way of thinking is bigger than the communities. It's NOT! Not on this site it isn't! So all this talk below about "Look how big that guy is, he runs tren only. You wana look like him? You should do that! These guys don't know what they're talking about".....N shit like that, it isn't going to be echoed outside this thread. Just because things were done differently back in the day (and some ppl still do it the old way) doesn't make it right and it damn sure doesn't make regurgitating it good advice! Where are the vets at? Bust this thread up!
AnonMe and you have this in common bro......i been at work all day....wish i would have walked into this earlier
I wish you could have also.
AnonAhhh...anyway.....i put my 2 cent throughout the thread....i didnt bother with any advice cause i dont think he is smart enough to take advice when he is asking himself for advice and getting dumb feedback from himself lol
I may be completely wrong, and I know you guys can check this, after reading through this thread these two guys talk exactly the same...possibly the same guy trying to piss people off? Especially now that he got knocked into the red from last night
If I find out that's the case, he's gone!
Lol u was thinking the same thing
X2
Brother... nitti asked me to come have a look at this thread...... reading through it i am totally fucking disgusted in some of the comments!!....... just to let everbody know who was involved in this i am seriously contemplating a MASS BANNING for all the fucking mis-information on here... these cycles pages used to be hallowed ground... NOW it seems to have turned into a free for all for all the numb cunts that think they know it all!....... get your fucking acts together fast gentlemen or its fucking lights out time...... no messing about anymore i am seriously fucking pissed off with this.
I've read alot of the guys posts who was telling him to take tren and I was surprised you guys weren't all over him awhile ago. But yea when I first got on here you and a few others jumped in to help me out with great advice. People seem less receptive nowadays however
italia1guys please check my last post and let me know which one is your favorite cycle thanks
Best cutting cycle over 15% bodyfat is called "dieting".
italia1i dont do any cardio , if i do that i m gonna make under 10 in a week , i konw my body - but anyway thanks for comment
AnonCutting cycle no cardio......what a winner
well then it doesnt sound like you need to do a cutting cycle then.
castroajMan Do test and anvar . and if you wanna add some more weight add eq too ! but don't forget if you only wanna add some gain , eq is very similar to Dbol though it gives you more solid and lean gain .
AnonWhat!!!
Dbol and are EQ are not alike in the slightest.
LOL, this must be where he got that statement on his new post!
Lmao, it's going into the "classic bullshit" file Noid.
castroajMan I am planning to do anvar and test , Search that , it seems you are new user , here is good website but don't expect these guys they give you good info except mods in this website 99 percent of ppl in this forum are total jerks that don't have any clue about bodybuilding and if you look at their pics they have disaster bodies, just do it yourself bra google search it .
Search for anvar and test . that cycle is good cycle . By the way im Italian too
italia1Tu parli italiano..
please list stats, cycle experience, goals. There are a ton of anabolics that can help preserve muscle in a cut but details are needed first.
italia1245 LB , 6.1 , 7 years training 25 . had dianbol and test in last cycle
You didn't list bodyfat which is kind of important
As for the cutting cycle, it really depends on your goals. Some steroids are very good for preserving muscle, testosterone, anavar, anadrol, primobolan.
if test/dbol was your last cycle then maybe you should try test anavar as a second cycle. That's more than enough anabolics to help you preserve muscle. Ultimately the cycle does not really matter, it's more about how your diet and cardio stack up. What were the dosages of your last cycle?
italia1bf is around 16
12 weeks test e 600
dbol 40 - 50 4 weeks
castroajMate don't listen all of these guys , most of these guys doesn't knw shiii , just search yourself , that anvar and test is good and I m going to do it too ,, let me tell you one thing judge people with who and where they are , open their pics if the had good bodies listen to them if not then probably if u have 7 years training u have better body than them so don't waste time ,,
me I had only 2 cycle in whole of my life and I have better body than most of these guys in here ...
Is that so? Lol. I see you took a nice hit on this thread. I think I'll let them tear into you. You're not giving the greatest advice. Your comment below about CobraMike and him not believing in running test only cycles. He is a monster of a man and old school. Just because he did it that way doesn't mean it's the right way. You're basically talking out your ass right now! Old heads have their way of doing things. They didn't have all the science we have today to back up the protocols we use. I'm not going to let you shit a over the way we do things around here! Check yourself bro!
Okay 16% not bad a little high but you should be able to drop the fat no problem.
Just run test E 600mg per week for 12 weeks for this cycle. Nothing else.
Your main focus will be on cardio and diet.
I would recommend fasted cardio. That is where you do not eat anything all night then when you wake up first thing in the morning hit cardio hard! 40 mins of medium intensity cardio. I like stair stepper because it is not miserable like treadmill, and more effective than elliptical, but if you are in to bicycling or running then do that. The key is to do this on an empty stomach!
Keep your diet high fats and low carbs. protein should be about 300g per day to help maintain muscle. Fats unsaturated - olive oil, avocado, fish, peanuts, almonds etc
carbs do mostly vegetables and complex carbs like granola or pasta or sweet potato.
proteins from meats such as chicken, seafood, eggs are all examples
Testosterone only will be best to help you keep gains. Anavar would not help because it will cause cramping and make cardio tough which is counter productive. You need to do LOTS of cardio this cycle and make your diet spot on and you will determine how much fat you really want to lose.
castroajLol ..... Just do test e .. this dude is telling you he is doing bodybuilding for 7 years and he had dbol and test e before , and u telling him to do now test only cycle .. That's why man u are skinny ...
AnonThats why your a banned idiot...and if you...which is your boy....same person been bodybuilding 7years and dont have enuf since to put together a fuckin cutting cycle......i bet you my ass if i do a test only cycle with my diet plan i can cut weight with an ai or provi if i chose to do it that way
Your just.........
pathetick!!!!
He never said he was doing bodybuilding for 7 years.. lol all he said was 7 years training experience.
his goal was to cut so I laid out a simple yet effective cutting cycle. Why do you think you need to run anavar and eq and anything else if his goal is to simply lose fat? With the right diet in place and cardio he could lose a ton of fat with this cycle. Anavar will negatively effect cardio which is not helping in a cut. Test only considering it's his second cycle he will still make huge gains so I don't know what the issue is.
italia1bruh anyway thanks ...
castroajDude u really don't know shit about this sport no disrespect , I already saw your pic what are you trying to say this guy , what do you wanna prove do you feel better if they tell you oh u are right , and u know everything about bodybuilding but at the end of the day people like you wont go anywhere with those bodies , you know if you were right then your body wont be in that shape so that means u are wrong somewhere , ITALIA there are some users in this website who doesn't knw much and instead giving you headache wont benefit you anything ...
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/test-e-eq-and-var
check this guy cycle , LOOK FOR COBAR POST I KNW THAT DUDE HE IS BIG BOY ..
this is his comment
Cobramike901 1 week ago @MakaveliCD7
Me personally I never believed in the "run test only" ur 1st few cycles. I believe more compounds the better so they work synergistically.
Now u decide do you wanna listen to some people who knows real about this sport or some amtuer who wanna just say we knws everything .. that's ur option bruh
AnonSo is his opinion the gospel? NO!!!
italia1So what do you recommend me ?
dont listen to word that guy writes!!!
castroajI recommend you to use your brain bruh , that's your body and you are only one who can decide what is best for body , none of us cant see and monitor your body like you do .
Just let you know u gonna put more life more in danger with drinking and smoking rather than doing steroid , there is not even one evidence that some died or couldn't have kid because of steroid , if these was true all these bodybuilders wouldn't have kids now and would been dead by now .
another thing if you wanna follow these guys routine no problem but let me tell you people like Ronnie coleman who were doing comptetion since their 20s do you really thing they were doing only test cycle , if these guys were doing test cycle they weren't shit by now ,,
Bodybuilding is all about you , you should find it out ur self ,