posted Sat, 06/08/2013 - 09:24
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Test E, Eq and Var
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Looking to add strength, while building lean muscle....
I feel like I am missing something though
Let me know what you guys think 
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Equipoise | Anavar 50 | Clomid | Nolva | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 400 | 50 | 12.5 | ||
| 2 | 600mg | 400 | 50 | 12.5 | ||
| 3 | 600mg | 400 | 50 | 12.5 | ||
| 4 | 600mg | 400 | 50 | 12.5 | ||
| 5 | 600mg | 400 | 50 | 12.5 | ||
| 6 | 600mg | 400 | 50 | 12.5 | ||
| 7 | 600mg | 400 | 50 | 12.5 | ||
| 8 | 600mg | 400 | 50 | 12.5 | ||
| 9 | 600mg | 400 | 12.5 | |||
| 10 | 600mg | 400 | 12.5 | |||
| 11 | 600mg | 400 | 12.5 | |||
| 12 | 600g | 400 | 12.5 | |||
| 13 | 600mg | 400 | 12.5 | |||
| 14 | 600mg | 400 | 12.5 | |||
| 15 | 600mg | 400 | 12.5 | |||
| 16 | 600mg | 400 | 12.5 | |||
| 17 | 12.5 | |||||
| 18 | 100 | 50 | 12.5 | |||
| 19 | 100 | 50 | 12.5 | |||
| 20 | 50 | 50 | 6.25 | |||
| 21 | 50 | 50 | 6.25 |
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Buildbigger86run eq at 800mg's a week and start var at 75mg a week on weeks 10-16
RustyhookerReading the back n forth here. Whats your honest goal? Running eq is long so basic lean bulk or cleaner finish? You've not really run a proper cycle and can gsin big bulk on just test. Need your feedback since you say diet has been modified. More than happy to help you custom mske this happen
Thanks bro... Obviously I need some help lol
Test only would be ok, but I want solid, lean gains
So I figured var and eq will both have lean gains, and understand var is a finisher, but wanted to feel the difference between the 2 compounds (which is why I thought I could kickstart with the var , almost until the eq was ready
So how would you modify it?
And FR sent.... thanks again
RustyhookerYou can build lean and solid with simple test. Whats your bf% at currently? Yes, its a lot easier knowing one compound at a time.
I have never checked it, but I am assuming around 15% ? Will try to take some pics now
RustyhookerMain reasons is that you don't have issues on cycle. Make life easier.
What do you mean? Make life easier by checking my bf?
RustyhookerHigh bf and a cycle can have estrogen issues, high bp, stroke etc. Mixing in eq without being prepared will make it something to monitor daily. Simple dehydration can spike bp. High bf can also have higher levels of binding globulin which makes test bound and unuseable. So theres precautions to go with. You just said below that you're dialing in diet. Awesome diet vs poor diet on even 300Mg/wk of test has huge differences.
Basically, these unknowns are why the guys below suggest a simple 500-600 test only cycle. Suggest provi at 25Mg s day thru cycle. Big clean meals. Blood test at werk 6 to check estro and adjust ai...IF ai is needed.
Here in a couple more months I'm gonna be running:
Hulk Dbol: 50-100mg/daily
Hulk Test Cyp: 600mg-2500mg/weekly
Hulk Deca: 600mg-1000mg/weekly
Hulk Primo: 600mg/weekly
Hulk TNE: 200mg before training
Hulk Aromasin: 1mg/ EOD
Prami: .5mg/ everyday
Yes all that will be taken all at same time in big doses cause that's how I run shit. HULKbody for LIFE!!!!
Ace VenturaHaha, you're a beast brother. I'm a bit of a bodybuilding fan so I love reading about your cycles. Seems like a lot of the big guys don't like to post theirs.
damn bro your not fucking around haha if I had the money for primo i'd run that cycle for sure
When you are competing then you gotta do what it takes to win. Ill be damned if I'm there to get 2nd place
These little doses that you see everyone pushing on the net 500mg here 600 mg there won't do shit for muscle gains that I'm looking for.
Looks good. However I like bigger doses so if it was my stack I would start 1st four weeks with what u have but on the fith week I would keep increasing the doses in four week say top out on 800mg Eq & top out on 1200 Test intervals but leave anavar alone
MakaveliCD7.This guy has only ran one cycle of test only and failed bc of diet....do u really think hes ready for such compounds and high dosages?....he needs to get his diet right first and run another test only cycle and then step up
Me personally I never believed in the "run test only" ur 1st few cycles. I believe more compounds the better so they work synergistically.
I think too many people put wayyyy too much thought into this. Just be like the old days. Get shit and take it.
However I do agree on if his diet isn't worth shit then he most certainly needs to fix that ASAP
I agree on everything said here lol
And my diet was fixed a while back
MakaveliCD7Brother if this is true what Ace says below then u are way to ahead of urself....and would explain what I'm seeing here....u need to only run one compound at a time....how would u know if u had sides then which compound and why? More is not better in this case....u need to run a test only compound for the first time....u will yield nicely from it if ur diet and training is on point and again I stress that ur diet is going to be the decisive factor in this cycle or any other cycles u run...here's a link to help u start ur research on first cycles...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-time-cycle-...
And
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-n...
MakaveliCD7First why are u running anavar as a kicker?....that is a finisher compound.....secondly why are u not running ur EQ for 16weeks?...it doesn't kick in really until after week 12 and i definitely would consider a high dosage...third is why are u running ur test 2 more weeks longer than ur EQ?....bc EQ is a longer enter in terms of half life vs test enanthate....fourthly why are u only running ur Clomid at 50?....this ur nasty production we are talking about....all this bullshit on lowering the Clomid only puts u at a greater risk for sterility and hypgonadism....fifth thing is where is ur AI....HCG....?
Ok brother my true evaluation is this is a cluster fuck waiting to happen....ur compounds are not in order of effectiveness and ur time of compound use if off....not being ugly but this is not a good cycle line up at all....u need to go back and do some research and make the proper adjustments....at this time I can't suggest anything beyond trashing it and starting over with a solid cycle and PCT....I'm sure others will tell u the same....redo this cycle and i will help.u build it better but if I give it to u then I'm not helping u learn
BTW....where ur stats? Age...cycle history?...BF%?
I am only running var as a kicker just for hopes of slight strength increase, but also because i was running the tequipoise blend and didnt want var and eq to mix so I could see the differences between the two...
As for ai, I have adex, but was thinking of swapping to aromasin...
Im aware this needs work...which is why I posted rather than just taking it ;)
Age 26
Weight 195
Bf 12 ish %
Cycle history- a very poor test e cycle
So what do you recommend? Also I already have everything listed above
Thanks bro
Just run a good Test only cycle with a solid diet.
Agreed i forgot to mention Anavar is a finisher.
Not true at all. You run 50mg or 100mg var along with what he is long enough it will rival dbol as muscle gains are concerned
AnonI disagree cobra.....
That's cool you can disagree all you want but bottom line is I personally got better results with 100mg Var over 100mg Dbol.
I mean are we referring to water eight here? Then yeah dbol will win. But what happens when the water from dbol is pissed out? Then what do u have left??
Yeah we all know Var doesn't put in the weight like dbol does but it potent as hell at 100mg/daily. puts on more true muscle at least for me. So I am speaking from my experience. Now with that said I'm kicking off my front load with dbol
only cause I'm not worried bout water weight at this point in fact I welcome it to help lube my joints as much as possible.
RustyhookerI run eq often. Well known as my favorite. Gotta agree with optimus on this one. I run it at the end as a proper finisher. I prop kick so im not double dipping. Mass and clean finish.
SIDE NOTE TO OP.....CD UP THERE HAS YOU CORRECT. Back to basics and you will grow better IMO
Its just my Opinion and from what i have seen. Anavar in my opinion works better when your BF % is lower and thats toward the end...
See now you are referring to the hardening effect from Var. I'm stating muscle gain from far and either way that's why var works well for me cause even when I'm 250+ I still have decent abs.
You guys keep running what you think is best. I know what works for me that's why I'm winning bb shows back to back. But then again I can take just about anything and grow from it thanks for my parents giving me awesome genetics. So if you all think var is only good as a "finisher" you guys are sadly wrong
I didnt plan on using it to harden, I was trying for lean muscle/mild strength gains
But then everyone said it was all wrong lol
AnonI can agree with this....and yea i would say the test should be run longer than eq because the differences in the half lives....i have always ran test longer....i also think the eq should be ran longer....perso.ally i like running it 20 weeks.....
I think you are right on the money
Scratch it....back to the drawing board
If your running EQ for 20 weeks.. How long are you running the Test ? same length or ?? ..
What mg's are you running the EQ for ? ( 800mg the whole cycle ?)
thanks !