What Cycle To Try Next
Good Evening Everyone,
Before I try to get into as much detail as possible on this topic please know I am seeking advice and thoughts from kind, friendly and appropriate persons. I am not hear to make anyone mad but being that I've been apart of this site for some years now I see sometimes people can really be criticized and put down for simply trying to learn more. I know most of peoples questions can be "googled" however with this being a forum and website that people can share their experiences I find it a great opportunity for us all to join forces. With this being said I would like to post this forum in hopes of finding help on deciding my next cycle properly. I have ran numerous cycles throughout my adults years. I feel I have ran them correctly through my peers who were bodybuilders, from amazing people from this site and with my own research. I am not stating I am perfect or haven't done anything incorrectly as I sure I have since I am not perfect, but again I am here wanting help.
My stats:
6ft 3inches
235lbs
age: mid 30's
body fat: 16% currently
The cycles I have ran were:
Test E-14 weeks/1 cc Mon/Thurs
Test prop/NPP- 12 weeks- 1.5 cc/1cc eod
Test 300/NPP/Tren Ace-12 weeks 1cc/.75cc/.5cc eod
Test Prop/Tren Ace-10 weeks - 1cc/.5cc
PCT: Clomid 100/100/50/50- Nolva: 40/40/20/20
AI: Aromasin half tab eod
Liver support
Vitamin C & Zinc to support possible sides
The next cycle I am wanting to run I would like to be a long ester but not opposed to doing another short ester cycle. I say this for the fact that I would like to pin less frequently to be honest with you. The last cycle I ran I had o results but didn't feel the greatest during it. I went with a different source and ran into pain throughout the cycle and feeling lie crap, where some days I felt amazing. I dropped the tren thinking possibly it was caused by that but throughout the cycle I lowered the dose of the tren to see if that would help, but it didn't. I changed injection sites but that didn't help. I was confused by the sickness I was getting as the source I obtained my gear from was reliable and well known for their outstanding business and gear. As stated above I ended up dropping the tren and finishing the cycle with test prop by itself, but all in all I felt the strength increase with the cycle but couldn't enjoy the little gains I obtained through the sides. I have ran tren ace before and did previous cycles so I couldn't figured out the route cause of the issues. I was always sterile with my injections and followed proper diet and regulations to preforming a proper cycle but I assume this can happen.
I am back and wanting to try another cycle out but try a different compound that possibly my body will like. My first cycle and second cycle I obtained the best results and felt the best I've ever felt. I always got my blood checked throughout my cycles and took PCT protocols. I am not pron to gyno but I still run an AI. I would like to try the following compounds, sust, test c,Deca, EQ, Masteron, Winny, Anavar or tbol. I have read articles on how to stack these but I would like a kind response to thoughts on what has worked for other people. I used to be really skinny and when I hit my end of years of high school I began to gain some good sizes with lifting and dieting. I also was a college athlete on a full scholarship, thus given me extreme workouts and knowledge on nutrition and lifting. I later made the decision to start using performance enhancers and obtained what I feel were amazing results in size and strength. I have enjoyed the sport and science of bodybuilding but am here to learn more and obtain different methods. I would like to possibly run tren again in the future but don't like the cardio loss I obtain from it since I enjoy running a lot more now. Deca has been something I've wanted to stack also but don't want the water retention and bloat look. I am trying to have my next cycle be a clean bulk. I understand this post may upset some, however this isn't my intentions nor is to loss karma points as I have from others who haven't liked my post. Here's to me trying again and I look forward to hearing everyone thoughts. Feel free to PM me with any advice.
I have some test prop on hand and Tren ace however I don’t think I’ll be touching Tren again until I successfully run another complete cycle in which I feel decent. I was thinking of using my test prop to end my cycle with but unsure. I am looking at the idea of simply running, sustan, Masteron E and Anavar but would like to know what would be best in regards to using Anavar, Winny or privorn? And possibly using the test prop I have for the last 3-4 weeks of the cycle.
Below Is the cycle I feel may be good to try:
14 Week Cycle Compounds: Test E, Masteron E, Proviron, Anavar, Cialis, Arimidex, Nolvadex & Clomid
Monday/Thursday injections:
Weeks 1-14:
Test E 200 -1.75 cc Mon & Thursday = 700mg week
Weeks: 1-12:
Masteron E 200- .75cc Monday & Thursday = 300mg
Weeks: 1-14:
Proviron 50mg- 50mg ed
Weeks: 1-12
Cialis is 10mg ed
Weeks: 7-14
Anavar 10mg - 40mg ed
Weeks 18-20:
Pct clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20.
AI: Arindex or Aromasin (as needed)
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
Ready to order but was advised on s few things to throw into my cycle and would like anyone’s advise please. Was told to take cialis ed throughout my cycle for good blood flow and veins and to run HCG. I was told to run HCG at 500iu’s a day for 2 weeks straight after waiting 2 weeks after last shot. Cab anyone confirm if this is a good idea or proper protocol
As far as the cialis, I would scrap that idea. Diet will get you veins not any cialis.
Ok brother thank you. I heard it helps with good blood flow. Other than that does it look solid ?
Kind of confused on what you are actually planning to run. What is the goal of this cycle?
Sir it’s listed under 12 week cycle. Goal is to cut sir. Why advice is always welcome
The way you are pinning that prop has me scratching my head. Why are you doing it like that?
Be advised it would be ok eod first two weeks to blast and to end but I may just wait and wait until Test e “ kicks in “ it was pinned to aid as a kicker
Ok I updated the cycle in which I feel will be beneficial. Please, please let me know what y’all think. I want to make a shout out to each and everyone of you that has helped me throughout this process. Without y’all and this community to give solid information some of us would be lost and possibly damage ourselves. Some cycle’s are new to people and a place to go so that we can share experiences and ideas is an amazing thing.
So ok I believe I have a cycle somewhat planned that will be benificial. Please let me know if I need to alter cc or shot days. Sust. 270/1cc Monday & Thursday - Masteron E 200 .5cc Monday & Thursday - Anavar or Winstrol ed. 12 week cycle with PCT 2 weeks after last shot. Pct clomid 100/100/50/50- Nolvadex 40/40/20/20. Arindex or Aromasin Monday, Wednesday, Friday or as needed. Thoughts ?? Thanks for all the help.
I’ve seen people running this long ester Mon- Wed-Friday so please indicate if this would be ideal also or be feasbale later in the weeks of this cycle bumping it up
RustyhookerSust is not biweekly....as stated below
Sust should be no less than EOD & ED preferably. What is the mast for & what do you hope to see from using it? One last thing, if I’m reading right you’re planning orals for 12 weeks? I’d never recommend orals for more than 4-6 weeks.
So you recommend test e instead ? I haven’t ever done sust and want to as is done test e. I figured masteron and anavar would help with leaning out and sculpting a good diet and workout plan for 12 weeks. I haven’t ran masteron before either. Just want to try a new lean cycle. Any help is appreciated.
Sorry I forgot to put running oral for 6 weeks however didn’t know if I should run it the first 6 weeks or last sure. I am looking to lean out on this cycle and heard many people say MWF sust and masteron but I trust rusty in which he has suggested each day but I can’t do that with my profession but eod I could but somedays it may fall on day I am working so I thought MWF wouldn’t hurt . Let me know your thoughts
6 weeks with var at the end is best in my opinion. Mast is best @ below 10% bf & I have tried it both ways above & below. The main thing I got from it above 10% was shedding my hair. As far as mwf injections, it will put you on a roller coaster with blood levels. Can you do it? Yes, but it’s very less effective that way & can cause more sides by the fluctuations. I’m not sure what kind of work you do, but I work in a steel mill & I discreetly pin in the bath house stall all the time. If you can’t pin frequently, I’d recommend long esters for sure bro.
Thanks for advice. I have a few more questions sir can I PM you ?
Yes sir, absolutely bro
You cant pin Sustanon only twice a week bro, you’ll be wasting the short esters. Sust must be pin EOD.
Also when using sust, you must wait 21 days since last shot to start PCT. only 2 weeks is too short for the undecaonate ester to clear
Thank you very much I will wait three weeks then
Keep it simple!
500-750 test/week
25 proviron/day
Trust me, if diet is on point, you'll gain more than you expect!
Thank you very much. Would it be safe to assume running test prop as opposed to test e which I ran before and got great results but I don’t want that big water rention puffy swole look ? I would like to cut and try to diminish a little extra fat and water I am holding on, but I want to also enjoy a cycle again, mentally and physically
RustyhookerI dont know where this puffy thing keeps coming from. Not you, just in general.
Do your bloods week 5. Fix your estro. Post your bloods. Eat proper.
Everyone is on ugl but wont test. Each ugl batch is super small so EVERY cycle will be different. Toss in changing brands, quality control etc etc
Yes I understand what you mean as I see it a lot to but from my own expierence with the Long Ester test e I got very big but in a full look and with the test prop I saw a different as it seemed to lean me out. I will definitely take your advice and try new source and and post bloods or if you suggest to finish the test prop I have from the ugl then I can attempt that also. I was also on aromasin throughout the cycle as my estrogen seemed to have been controlled and I am not prone to gyno but my high levels of estrogen could have been the factor. With dropping the Tren ace I felt a little better but not 100%
I am on an EQ cycle right now at week 8 and not feeling it yet. So do not run it for only 12 weeks as it will be a clear waste.
RustyhookerIf you have not felt big raise in cardio out put...something sounds off.
Not everyone gets the RBC boost. Or the hunger. But the odds on him not getting either and prolly on the low end tho
Yea I agree sonething was for sure wrong and it was the first time when running a cycle I encoutered such sides but hey, you live and you learn
Oh sorry man. We were side-tracked and talking about PPGfreak
Lol it’s ok
Something was for sure off. I even took 1500mg of vitamin C and 50mg of zinc to try and combat the sides and some days it would help and others not so much. I was able to get my bloods done a few days ago to which everything was looking good, should I post those or should I go with a different source and just post bloods around week 5
I'm not sure if you agree with me bro but I'd never use it less than 20weeks.
Completely agree
Thank you for your response
Don’t run EQ for only 12 weeks. It would be a waste.
Listen to Rusty. He’s got ya covered.
Thank you very much for you response
RustyhookerI think youre overthinking this. If youre first test only worked so well....why not just amplify the obvious. Test....
1-12 test ....
4-14 provi 50mg
Whats your goal? Pin and grow or you like complicated? I got boxes of ideas. Simple is the most fun.
Rustyhooker thanks for your kind reply. To answer your question I was informed changing compounds can be helpful in gaining the best results and allowing the bodies receptors to activate better. I also did enjoy the test E only cycle however they aided in giving me great size but a more full look in which I don’t want anymore. In my mind I loved the swole look it got me but then it was time to get rid of that big puffy look and change my diet and compounds. If Iam over thinking this then my apologies. When I took test prop it gave me way less water retention and enabled improved vascularity.
RustyhookerThats why i need to know your goal brother. Some combos kill appetite. Some are fun. Some are a chore. If cutting, loss of appetite is good imo. If just adding a few pounds, keep it simple. Long or short esters.
I would like to do a clean bulk if that’s possible for my summer cycle. I was able to obtain good size and strength gains with test prop and npp, but find this time around not wanting to pin that frequently. I fear going to a long Ester to hinder that but I don’t want that water rention bloat look so that’s why I thought maybe anavar or Winny as an aid during my next cycle. So I can get the hard aid and help with cutting my fat percentage down a little and still gaining lean mass. I enjoyed when I was 250+ lbs however I feel better and am a lot quicker at the range of my current weight which is around 235lbs. And let’s just say I love food, who doesn’t. I could live without an appetite but rather wouldn’t but my last cycle that crushed me somedays and had me feeling like death seemed to kill the small mass I gained for j wouldn’t have an appetite and would be sick in bed
RustyhookerSounds like last cycle you screwed up by not getting bloods and asking assistance.
Clean bulk....forgidaboutit. Bulk or cut. Heading 3 directions is just frustrating.
1-8 prop 75ed
1-8 mast prop 50ed
Get bloods week 3. Diet dictates. Im too old for round n round. Good luck
I also wouldn’t be able to pin each day due to my profession however sir do you think a cycle of sust, Masteron E, and Anavar ? or privorn or Winny would be good ?
RustyhookerSust to me is ed pins.
Test e
Mast e
Biweekly
Not advising orals with no real goal here.
500/300
Mast when lean.....EVERYTHING works better when lean. You can see the changes daily if your 8%. I like mast as its a dht, doesnt kill my appetite, hadens, drops excess water, etc etc
If bulking, i want a bit of water. Water boosts strength in cellular load. But it depends on chems used too. Var is awesome for strength...but no hunger. You gotta eat to grow. Dbol loads water and strength thru roof. Tren doesnt load and strength thru roof but sides are not fun or worth it.
Youre asking an open ended question with 1000 possibilities . What sports car do you prefer? Lol
Lol i don’t like sports car as I am a lifted truck, straight pipe type of guy lol
I don’t mean to frustrate you and do the round a round sir. I’ve heard of a clean bulk before but If I had to make it simple I was say cut sir. I did get bloods the last time done and asked for assistance here also numerous times and spoke with the source as I felt maybe the BA was to high or possible the way it was made or the oil used but it was a ugl instead of pharma grade that I used to go with so I could only come to the conclusion that maybe my body doesn’t like ugl or pharma is cleaner, but i don’t know and would like your thoughts. I recently got my blood checked again now that I’ve been off the same duration that I was on plus the pct and everything checks out fine. My test level is 400 the doctor said which is fairly normal and everything else is within range. Thank you for the cycle advice but can I ask you why I’ve heard masteron is good only if you’re lean? In what ways can you tell me it will aid in my next cycle ?