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Good Evening Again,
I have successful completed another cycle with the amazing support and help from all of you. I am soon to be on PCT from my current cycle and since I like to be ahead of the game, I need insight on my next cycle I am planning. Please don't think I am going to run this cycle before being off the duration for which I was on my last cycle, I am only trying to get insight and setup accordingly prior. My last forum states my previous cycles Any and all help would be much appreciated so that I can tweak and graph my next cycle accordingly.
The cycle in which I feel will be eneficial is:
12 week cycle
Week 1 - 12
Testosterone enanthate - 750mg per week. Monday/Thursday injections
DHB - 400-500mg per week at ED at 90mg/ml
Week 1 - 12 (Orals)
Proviron - 50 mg daily.
Anastrozole -0.25 mg once a week starting at week 2.
Adjust accordingly if elevated estrogen occurs.
Tudca at 250mg daily.
Aspirin at 75 mg daily.
Please let me know what you think and any insight is very much appreciated
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I agree with basskiller Test is all you need with one oral like DBOL. I find that the two make a great bulk combo. Gotta watch BP though.
Thanks for your advice and reply
I changed my chart to reflect what has been told to me that would be a better and most effecient cycle. Anyone that can continue to give me ensight would be much appreciated
basskiller89I would say that test only is all that is needed here brother, adex on hand is all you'll need
My best cycles were and still are test only, I would not think about adding other compounds until you fully understand how testosterone alone works in your body. You are going to have to think longevity and there's no need to stack this much. More gear is not going to make you grow faster. Listen to what Makwa is saying
Thanks for your response. I ran test only sir and I see what he’s saying but I don’t see where he’s stating to use test only. I see where he’s saying to run EQ/DHB together and possibly just teat, DHB or teat EQ only but what are your thoughts in this correlation? I’ve ran test and cycles with test and other compounds. Three compounds haven’t ran that many but have ran two compounds before
basskiller89I have run EQ and test before for my second cycle. I currently only run testosterone only cycles. I do not believe that adding more gear or more compounds is going to result in more muscle developed faster. I think there is a point of diminishing return on adding compounds to achieve the same growth. What are you planning on running for a baseline dosage??
DHB way to high. Even running DHB solo I wouldn't go that high. DHB/EQ is a great cycle. Probably one of my best. Lower DHB to around 4-450, when in a stack. No need to go higher. EQ is great at cutting any pip with DHB so it also compliments it there. This isn't going to be an optimized cycle if running EQ with it. 16 wk bare minimum or drop the EQ or switch out with cyp. I would probably lower test dose also. DHb is receptor hog and you are just going to have higher aromitization issues if running high test with DHB. I think you would really like the cycle if you drop your test low enough so you don't need an ai. Should help with BP also.
Tbol, all that is good for lowering SHBG IMO. I am not a fan of it. Much better mass builders out there. Pulse adrol if you are serious about mass cause tbol isn't going to cut it. Redundant running tbol and provi together. I would just go with provi to lower SHBG since it isn't toxic and get a better mass building oral than tbol.
Solid advice.. I'd probably drop the tbol and run the proviron the whole cycle..+1
Ok sounds good and I changed my chart and took tbol out all together
Thanks for your honest reply. You suggest running EQ/DHB with no test in the baseline of the cycle ? Just wondering and how low would you drop the test to ? 500ng a week ? And I thought provi was really only good for strengthening test or freeing up test ? I am still learning more and more so sorry for the questions. Just thought tbol was good for endurance and strength, thus why I was going to add it
For me if I go above about 175-200mg/wk of test I need to start using an AI so that about where I cut it off. If cutting I'll drop the test way down to only 100mg/wk. Bulking I try to hit that top end just before I need an AI. If you can hit 250mg/wk without an AI then go there, if it 150mg wk then sit with it there. Note that you will probably have to lower test than you normally would to avoid aromitization issues since the DHB is such a receptor hog like I mentioned. This is one of the reasons why it is good to add provi to the cycle and start it from the get go. Will help to maximize your free test while using a lower test dose. Probably run all your stacks with lower test once you try it.
Tbol is really not a tool used much any more by competitive bodybuilders. Just to weak with much better options for particular goals. I am still sitting on a stash of it but like I said only use like I do provi. Don't get much else out of it other than a bump in free test, but provi is still best for that. If you got some use it up but don't expect a whole lot out of it.
Thanks for the solid advice and I sent you a friend request if I could pick your brain more
That's a lot of injectables to run simultaneously. You might want to lower does or like Bearded Muscle said drop the EQ.
EQ for 12 weeks? Not optimized for the ester. I’d say ditch it entirely.
I’d drop the test to 250, keep the provi for estro control, shouldn’t need any AI then. Proviron you can run the whole cycle. It’s not toxic like 17aa orals.
DHB dose looks good, that’s plenty.
Tbol dose looks solid, to be honest it’s going to be outshined by the DHB. As soon as you start seeing a little progress from it (which is all you should really expect with Tbol) the DHB is going to kick in like a freight train to gainzville. It’s not necessary but if you want to run it go for it. Think about adding it on the end too, might be a better option.
Hey thanks for your reply and yes I’ve heard run EQ to like 18 weeks? And are you saying drop test e to 500mg a week ? Why might I ask ? And that’s why when you stated DHB will outshine in , in what sense ? And thats why I was going to drop it week 5 and of course because it spiked blood pressure. And I’ll consider running it on the end
Yes EQ much better 16-20 weeks.
Drop test e to 250 a week only. You’re already running higher bf this will help with estro.
DHB will outshine the Tbol. Tbol is very mild, DHB is not.
Ok brother so would you suggest dropping tbol at week 5 or just call together this cycle ?
All together. When you run it run it with like a low test high EQ or low test high primo cycle. Would’ve gone well with your masteron cycle too. You’re looking for mild injectibles with little to no water retention that will go with the Tbol so you can really appreciate the dry gains it can bring to your physique.
Ahh understand and because this cycle I am wanting to run DHB, that’s why tbol isn’t needed ?
Yessir
Adding Tbol to DHB is like adding a couple pieces of bacon to your 16 oz ribeye steak to try to hit your protein requirements. Just eat the steak.
For sure understand when you put it like that sir
RustyhookerBulking? Get on that food plan early. Ive enjoyed eq test at that level when bulking but adjusting test towards the goal.
I like orals tail end....of course the provi i like week 4 til oral steroids like tbol, var, etc... Unbinding test is my goal in oral use. I dont see a drying oral tail end unless you lower test when oral dry roids are used. But there's so many ways to skin cats.
Why dhb? That new for you? Might be easier to copy makwas dhb and diet plans.
Thanks for your reply. So you’re saying you like starting provi week 4 until the end ? Or do you drop it and start tbol , etc ? And no I don’t have a drying oral tail end unless you can recommend something? I do have masteron e left in which maybe I can use and drop dhb? Or maybe add var? DHB is new and my trainer suggest trying it cause it’s said that even on a cut size can be packed on.