posted Sun, 08/18/2013 - 15:59
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Very 1st cycle need help
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Hey whats up out there..very 1st cycle i just need help of something i can start out with for a 1st cycle. Im 34yrs old bout 6ft 208pds..im not sure of bodyfat but i know its higher than i would like ..im trying to gain strength, 10 to 15pds of solid lean muscle , and have more sex drive with the least amount of side affects. my 1st choice i wanna start with is Sustanon 250. do anybody have any ideas of a cycle i can get on with this or any other test , what i can stack with it and what to take for pct or i can take during the cycle to prevent side affects.. i would greatly appreciate any advice or any HELP!!
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thats real good shit @Vindictive how the hell can i give u a +1 karma for that information...so take AI during my cycle and clomiid or nova after for pct??
man i got to find out how how many packs and bottles of this stuff im going to need..dont want to run out
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No need for +1 bro lol just trying to feed you as much knowledge as I can so no missteps are taken (not saying I know everything because i don't) but if ur going with test e there normally dosed at 300mgs per ML in 10ml vials, means for a 10 week cycle IMO that's all you need a lot say 12 weeks but really the gains stop around 10 weeks if the dose is not upped not saying u won't put on more weight but it won't be muscle.
So ull need at least 2 bottles of Test E
u'll need 42 clomid if ur getting pill form an the nova ud have to PM an let me know where ur getting it to help you there lot of places come in different doses.... just remember bro can ever say a sources name in an open thread.... and yes AI on cycle and PCT after
Clomid - opposes the negative feedback loop that the body has with regards to estrogen and the HPTA - Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis, and this in turn stimulates LH - Leutenizing Hormone and FSH - Follicle Stimulating Hormone. LH and FSH, in turn stimulate the release of testosterone. Clearly this is advantageous to bodybuilders and athletes coming off of a cycle, and beginning their post-cycle-therapy. What we have in Clomid is essentially a drug that acts as a preventative measure against gynocomastia, as well as a drug that acts to raise endogenous (natural) testosterone levels. Usually, it is compared with another SERM, Nolvadex, for those reasons.
Clomid, however, is much weaker than nolvadex in a mg for mg comparison, with roughly 150mgs of clomid being equal to 20mgs of nolvadex
(1).It should be noted, however, that 150mgs of clomid will still raise testosterone levels to approximately 150% of baseline value
You don't have to use 150mgs, however; in research, doses as low as 50mgs will show improvements and elevations in testosterone levels
how many bottles of test E will i be needing for a cycle and would a 4month cycle be good for me??
lol.. man you can tell im a dam rookie im too ashamed to ask what the abbreviation means i had a list but lost it@vindictive
AI = Aromatase Inhibitor ;)
what is clomiid??
@ PEZ so do i take ALs everyday during the whole cycle and is aromasin the best 1 out there? i've seen good reviews about the product
AI bro not AL lol
test e sounds like the way to go...i definitely like some of the cycles put together should i expect any PIP from test E ..i can suck it up i just need to know how long it will last and any other side effect and does AL prevent side affects during the cycle?? and how long should will it take until i start feeling the effects of test E to tell if its working??
You wont experience true PIP on test E.You will have pain your first injections, due to a rookie technique but you will adapt quickly. An AI is your friend. You will be able to control almost all side with it. Find the balance for preventing gyno. Estrogen contributes to the severity of acne and if it gets high, you can get quick tempered like a woman pmsing.
you dont want to start with sustanon. because of your stats this is what id tell you to run.
1-12 500mg test e or c split at 250mg monday and thursday
3-18 6.25mg aromasin
14-18 nolva 40/40/20/20
14-18 clomiid 100/100/50/50
on cycle if estro sides persist bump asin to 12.5mg ed and up til they persist.
I DO hope you know there is a difference when you start PCT between Test e and Test c .....
Testosterone Cypionate : 18 days after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 14 days after last injection
2 weeks isn't gonna cut it if he runs Test c
and AI does NOT need to be run during PCT
first of all i know their half lives are different. about 10.5 days for E and 12 days for C. and maybe at i high dose pct would need to be adjusted but ive ran both and started pct 14 days out for both and recovery was fine. secondly if the 14 days after last injection was SO wrong why would i see gurus even throwing it into their cycle advice? Then your comment about AI in PCT. I know it doesnt NEED to be run but i have pcted with and without asin and felt i recovered better with it. Also maybe you havent been reading around alot but there are alot of guys who support the idea of aromasin in PCT for better recovery.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin
I don't care who supports it to be honest with you everyone has there own why of doing things an i'm stating I don't like ur way and if you don't like mine then it's whatever... i'm sure I can find guys who support having sex with animals does that make it right??? lol and the 10.5 <<<< active not half life and 12 <<<<active not half life don't believe everything you pull up in a google search
If you wanna get real down in the dirt bro TEST E the half-life is 5-7 days and the reason PCT is 14 days after ceasing it is because it takes that much time for enough to clear in order for PCT to be effective. People often confuse active life with half life. << unlike ur google search there's REAL science backing this
i agree with you believing AI not being necessary. and i know it takes that long for the levels to be low enough as not to keep your natural system shut down. and you seem like you know what youre talking about so i assume youve used the exponential decay formula on the enth and cyp esters to come to your conclusion as to when to start PCT correct? didnt read it somewhere right?
but 14 days is a good number to start PCT being that there's not much of any gap between E an C <<< that I will credit you as being right on
its really a base line so you dont have to calculate it everytime and recovery isnt affected by it much. the only true way to know the exact pct date would be to calculate the exponential growth as you were pinning then the decay after your last injection because its gonna differ as you run different doses. do i expect anyone to do it? no its a pain in the ass lol but i have done it and the 14 day mark is a good standard
I agree with you on that bro +1 for keeping a calm head ;)
thanks brother...nothing wrong with a little debate. no anger here
Nothing wrong with it at all, I respect a good debate
I never used that formula to be honest it's simple math due to the half lifes (the real half lifes) because if we went by what you posted as the "half lifes" u'd be looking at around 17 days till PCT on Test e. an 19 days till pct on Test c so that right there makes it evident you surely didn't use the exponential decay formula ;)
lol ive done it once but sure as hell wont right now on pain meds ;) if you want when im off these i could post the growth and decay at 500mg of each. not to be a dick it would really help everyone.
to OP sorry for jacking your thread. if you need any extra help FR and PM me or vindictive. sure hed be as happy to help as me
Where are u getting these statics of such a dramatic difference in half lifes of test e and c?
these are approximations that are dependent on dose, ester, as well as the individuals metabalization of the compound for the moderate user. " give or take days" for each. This is just a guideline "Safe Zone"
Still didnt tell me where u got those numbers I know they're a generalization assumption that is correct. I'm not tryinh to argue with u just imo that difference doesn't make sense as why all the vets and regular members say the difference in test e and c is the name but if its the half life great I just wanna see prove for myself and everybody else especially members that are new like this.
half-life is 5-7 days and the reason PCT is 14 days after ceasing it is because it takes that much time for enough to clear in order for PCT to be effective. People often confuse active life with half life. <<<< thats what makes 14 days after last test e and for test c ppl will argue it's the same as e but I give a gap on it anyways won't hurt to do so but maybe is't just best to stick with 14 days after last injection on both either way won't hurt
damn i appreciate this advice man.. i was not too sure about sustanon either..im dumb as hell to some of this "whats EOD? and yeah @ Vindictive1 i definitely want to be safe!!
EOD = Every Other Day
AnonSustanon is an option alone, but to truly run it correctly you want to pin it at least 3x a wk but EOD is best. It's much easier with limited pining experience I would assume to just do Test Enan or Cyp. 500mg/wk for 12 wks will do fine
i have been lifting naturally on and of for about 13 yrs ..sorry bout that bro and shouldve wrote in my post to refer to my profile so you guys can help me a little better .. it kinda gives more detail about my issues
People are lazy like myself an are not gonna wanna go to your profile lol but I did anyways okay here's my thoughts.
I wouldn't recommend sus for your first go around sus is EOD injections I would go with either Test c or Test e at 500mgs split say 250mgs Monday an 250mgs Friday. you're gonna need an AI on hand I recommend Aromasin and for PCT get you some Clomid an Nova
weeks 1-10 Test @ 500mgs a week split
weeks 4-10 Aromasin @ 6mgs ED <<< better to be safe then sorry
an let me know witch Test you're gonna use and i'll lay out your pct
If you don't mind me asking how long have you been lifting naturally bro?