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I did a small tren cycle a Little bit ago. It consisted of test at 500 and tren ace 35ed ad sometimes 75eod. For my next cycle I wanted to try tri-tren. I have no experience with hex or enthanate, however my ace sides were controllable and not bad. I'm approximately 215lbs, 6', 12% bf. I plan on doing a cutting cycle, and I don't want to pin more than twice a week. How much tri-tren and test would you recommend based on your experience/cycle history.
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Being a pin cushion sucks. If i remember reading something right the short estered stuff will be more powerful than the longer estered stuff (get more tren in it?)
I'm not sure if this is entirely true, but I heard500mg prop isn't exactly 500mg Enthanate
Wow, I am overally impressed with the eroids brothern' and sistern'... lol .. However, in all seriousness I've thought about it quite a bit, and I have decided on what I am going to do. I plan on doing one of two cycles. Either the Tren Ace 75+eod/prop 100 eod, or tren E at 300 test at 500. I've done a MILLION short estered cycles. HONESTLY, i have better results with short estered cycles, and faster recovery, however, the job I have requires me to be physical and move alot, therefore, I ideally would like to pin less. I really appreciate your guys responses! I was set on the tri-tren, but that would be silly and make no sense.
I'm not going to sit here and say hey you have to run tren ace. But I refuse to run tren e personally because after the experience I had on ace I needed it out of my system. And fast. Imagine you're in a not so great spot. Tren amplifies this. Now you need to be mentally stable fast. Do you have a week or two before you start feeling somewhat normal again? For me that answer is always no. By that point I'll violate my probation and be back where I hate. Like I said, can only shed my personal experience, and let you make an informed decision.
zewiIMO--i don't think you should even use Tren E.. @ 35mg ED or even 75 EOD--you have no idea if you do have sides with tren-- And if you decide to run a correct cycle with Tren E and you get sides, well its not like Tren A were that shit clears in 3 days..
IMO--I think you need to do a Test P Tren A cycle to really understand how Tren effects you before you move to Tren E.
Not a tren e fan myself but I've been playing with the idea of running low dose in the spring (cuz I have it on hand)
Much of what I've read this year lends itself to test and tren fighting for the same receptors so high test/low tren or low test/high tren seems to be a formula to help reduce sides. I, personally, have no experience with this formula as of yet, but it intrigues me.
I have experience both ways. I believe higher tren (slightly higher) will yield better Results than higher test. Less sides too. You're experienced bro. Try it out. All AAS compete for the same receptor and the determining factor is the binding affinity. Tren always beats out test. I just use a test dose to keep my libido normal and have a base test level. When I stop the tren and switch to NPP or mast p or whatever, I'll bring te test back up. I don't think I'd try it with NPP. It seems be be less forgiving Try it slightly higher. You'll like it
Na I did it with deca/npp combo and was fine. That's why I hate seeing 2:1 ratio. That's a general rule of thumb, but you're gonna tell the guy running 600mg nandro to run 1.2g test.. Come on now. Ran prop at 210 a week and tren at 700. If I wash planning on competing I would have preferred 4-500:6-700 personally. Tren makes me feel not awesome with low dose test. I find a moderate dose much More pleasing. Rather swear a little more than have the libido of an 80 year old. And my friend is running 600 test and 600 tren and there's no way anyone would say that it doesn't work if you saw him.
I have no doubt 600/600 goes BEAST, but I'm kind of a dick natty so 600 tren e could theoretically push me to mass murderer LOL
Yea so is my friend lol. I'm gonna send you a pm.
And I agree 100% about the 1:1 ratio working fine. I am not debating that. My argument would be you're just wasting test and increasing estro. We know who wins the fight to the receptor. Plus Hollywood is no rookie. He could easily tweek the doses and figure out what he does or doesn't like. He knows what to look for on terms of sides, gains and feel
zewii run tren e @ 375mg and Test E @ 250
I'm gonna pm you my thoughts. Ill lay out my run actually. I don't want to post any more about this in the open. Might get hit with the no no spoon (wooden spoon my grandma used to crack me with. Lol).
cdaddy7YOU TOO!!! LMFAO
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Yup always on te hands! I hated that fuckin spoon! Lol
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i got the bare knuckles there big tough guy.lol
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zewilmao
For me, the higher tren works out much better as far as results are concerned. Again I can't ru it more than 4 weeks but I personally like the higher tren. If you're running 75mg tren a ED, I would go 100mg prop eod. This is what works for Me! I like it. I know a lot if others do as well but I wasn't saying 2:1 on that. As for nandro, definitely has a slightly different reputation than tren with sides. I would try it at a higher dose if I'm using NPP but I have yet to do it. I keep test higher o everything except tren
This is one of those discussions that will get me be headed in here. Lol. Advanced info! I'm done posting in this thread! To the new guys who may be reason this, ALWAYS higher test!
I thought he said he ran tren before and had no issues
zewi"I did a small tren cycle a Little bit ago. It consisted of test at 500 and tren ace 35ed ad sometimes 75eod."
I thought this is all he every has done.
I personally can't run tren more than 4 weeks at a time. As much as I love it I hate the same. BUT, how is he going to experience the new compound if h doesn't go for it? I say he runs a PROPER tren a to minimize and control sides so he can properly gauge
Then again the whole point was to avoid pinning eod which is the ONLY reason I suggested tren e. you know what. Fck you guys man. Lmao! I'll let you all fix this shit for him. I know what works for nitti and that may not be beneficial to anyone else so I will zip it
zewiI love you(no homo well maybe a little) No i agree with you if that's what he wants because he cant handle the pinning ed or eod.. Well tough shit--if he want's to do tren e, good for him. Im just saying and i no you are too. He has no Idea what he is about to do with Test E and Tren E. Is he just adding 100mg a week of tren e or actually trying to run a correct test e tren e cycle?
Excellent point! My initial comment yesterday was going to be "if you aren't ready to pin eod or Ed you probably should be looking into tren". But I don't want to sound condescending. It's pretty apparent that I'm probably not the best person to give advice. I don't do things in the orthodox manner but I also have a handle on my compounds. I'll stfu unless I can give solid feedback. I have to get back to what the protocols are and keep my own ideas out! I need this advanced thing to work out. Lol
zewiI agree that's what i said above. He needs to do a true tren a test p cycle even for 4 weeks or 6 just to see how he reacts.
He did, and his rationale of pinning 2x a week makes sense to me, although I never want lingering tren sides when they do get bad. Because when they finally do, it's too late and I want that shit out of me immediately. While beig on tren feels fucking awesome, the feeling of finally going off tren is like just as good lol
Same with me. I am a tren whore but I know my limit
Tri-Tren is pretty useless unless pinned at the frequency you would tren a. I
would stick with 1 ester. try the E bro. You know u handle tren well. Only one way to get experience with the different ester.
Well said, thank you for all the responses. I was hoping to avoid ed/eod pinning, but if its the only way to go, I'll do it for the millionth time. After running short eaters for all my cycles/starters/finishers I am hating being a pin cushion. I'll rethink tri-tren and may just stick with ace.
Since you are ready for Tren then you should be ready or use to ED shots. I'm on a Tren cycle now and look forward to my nightly shot =p
Ed shots are fun for a while. Then you realize you're just a fucking pin cushion. Btw lats are an awesome addition to the rotation when you start running out of sites which you will after a while
Hahaha i still have fun with ED injections. I use 10 spots to rotate so i think that definitely helps.
Yea bro id go with just tren E If u dnt wanna pin more than twice a week,if ur planning to shred then just up the cardio and stick to a strict ass diet and the tren will do its job, plus with the blend u never really know what is causing the sides especially if u havnt tried each compound in its own..
AnonLol
cdaddy7BOOM!!!
Diet and cardio will shred you up more than any compound, thats why i believe..:)
cdaddy7You are right..the gear just enhances it to max potential
AnonSince you have experience with tren but you only ran a short cycle , you might want to do the same again. How were your gains the first time?
cdaddy7With Tri-Tren your not gonna be able to have control like Tren A bc of the longer ester...So unless you have experience with each compound seperately...I would advise against a Tri blend with 2 compounds you have no prior experience with...That could end up a disaster my man
You nailed it cdaddy, almost like you read my mind. +some from me ;-)
cdaddy7Thank u Grrrl always an honor to have ur approval
AnonI personally think to reap the full benefit if the tri-tren you'll still need to pin it every other day. It does have acetate right? You'll create instability if you just rely on the longer esters. I would go with tren e if I were you instead. Blends tend to be harder to manage stability on levels
You're actually exactly right about the tri-tren. Even tho they suggest he not use it! I think they're intimidated tho. Lol
cdaddy7Nitti, show me the ways of the Tri-tren that I may not live in fear...LOL
Think about sust. yes it was designed for less frequent injects but knowing what u know about esters would u do it any way other than eod with prop in it? I wouldn't. I was just breakin em for ya tho. She found it ammusing.
Unless youre running 1g plus of Sustanon a week there's really no point in pinning more than 2x/week max. A tri tren blend would be different because the esters act differently but the point of true Sustanon is essentially to let each ester take the last ones place. Now the fake sust blends with enanthate are different. But I used to think that sust was best pinned eod until I tried it the way it was meant. And 30mg prop eod, you're not maximizing the benefit really by pinning eod. Now if it was like 75mg I'd say definitely but at 30mg id say the medical profession wins for once here. Actually they suggest a frequency of every 21 days, so can't completely agree with that either though