To PCT or NOT!
A bit of advice needed from those who know....
Do I run a PCT or just Cruise and Blast??
Ive been running cycles for the past 12 years and have done almost every compound there is apart from MT1 and Test Base, each year I tend to bulk and cut the same as most people and have competed 4 times, bloods have been done recently and ive also had an ultra sound scan on my livers, kidneys and spleen which have all come back clean and heathly, diet is just the basic chicken, rice or baked potatoes, Turkey, white fish, vege, 4 litres of water per day....a crap meal every other day just to boost the cals, olive oil on my day time meals to also boost the cals which are at about 4300 per day, nuts are still working as I have 9 month old girl as to which I ran a PCT before trying for another child, dont really suffer from spots, gyno or hair lost.
Im just about to finish a 16 week course of 700mg of Test E, 800 mg of Bold and first 5 weeks I added in 100Mg of Prop EOD and 30mg Dbol per day as a kicker and im sitting at 16.7 stone, 35 years old.
So with all that said...
Do I run a PCT and clear some receptor space or cruise along on a low dosage of Test and then blast within a certain amount of weeks?
Please feel free to post up a cycle which I can run as im sure there are a few compounds that ive never run before.
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If I were you I'd stop the EQ at least a week before you stop your test injections. Give that long ester in EQ a chance to clear.
Hope I've been of some help
Yea mate plus 1 for your input
My test still bounces back at the age of 39. All the while it does I'll pct. When I HAVE TO and only then. I'll switch to blast and cruise.
Had your off cycle test levels checked in the last year?
That's the best way to do it, if you bounce back then GREAT. I started not to...so now it's TRT for me. Oh and I'm 35
I'm getting to that stage also now judging by my last numbers. Going to see how I bounce back from a simple(ish) cycle and make a call from there.
My test numbers after the first cycle have dropped 100 each time. The last PCT they barely climbed back above the low range. I have been advised by someone I greatly respect to give up PCT and just cruise. At 41 years old PCT is harder on my body and mind than just doing TRT. As much as I know he is right I am still not 100% about it. It is a very serious decision that none of us should take lightly...
Mine has been quite sudden. Sat around 800-850 for years, then after summer pre comp cycle number was below 300 :( if that's the case after a light cycle coming up, it's begrudgingly TRT time.
800-850...wow you were lucky! Even when I started running gear my levels were like maybe 600...and it just plunged south. I gather a good decade of narcotics probably ruined my HPTA
Explains why in my twenties I'd have a pop at anything female with a pulse.....
How I remember being in my twenties and walking around like a dog with two dicks
That's what happened to me...kept dropping by 100 after every cycle the past year-year 1/2...so at the high range of what would be called the 'normal low', I just gave in. 6 yrs younger than you too. My levels were barely 400.
Yea, I even hit the last pct hard as well as ran it for 6 weeks. I didn't even hit 400.
That may be the way forward, do a PCT for around 12- 14 weeks and then get my test levels checked, not really phased about loosing a bit of weight during a PCT as thats to be expected, last injection of this cycle was done two days ago so got around 10 days left to choose the best way forward.
That's what I would do mate. See where you're at when you get those results and make a decision from there.
PCT Will start in a week and be run for 12 weeks and get bloods done.
12 weeks pct?
Yea...
first two weeks from last injection I would class as PCT, so 2 weeks nothing as gear still coming out of my system..
3 weeks of HCG at 1500iu per week..
2 weeks of 100mg of Clomid per day..
1 week of 50mg of Clomid per day..
2 weeks of 40mg of Nova per day..
2 weeks of 20mg of Nova per day.
Has always been my choosen PCT.
Ok. I would run the hcg for the last week of the steroid cycle (last week of your test jabs) and the two weeks leading up to pct.
As I understand it, your not going to inject any test for 5 weeks?
Maybe I'm wrong but this isn't a typical pct
For the pct I'd run;
Week 1&2 clomid 100mg ed / 40mg nolvadex ed
Weeks 3&4 clomid 50mg ed / 20mg nolvadex ed
May need to run some aromasin to avoid estrogen rebound but you'll know this already
Hitman187Def agree with running the hcg during cycle but to add to what you said I would stop the hcg 5-7 days before beginning pct.
5-7 days before? I thought it was 3. Learn something every day. Thanks
Im not going to inject any test for 12 weeks as thats the duration of my PCT, and my HCG will be injected two weeks after my last shot of test cyp as within that time it will be working its way out of my system as im sure you already know...
May not be typical PCT but its what has always worked for me and made my balls hang low and aided towards me still having kids that im sure.
It's not what you using its just the timing of your using. The hcg part from my experience should be run up to 3 days before you start your clomid. This gives sofficiant time for the esters to reduce down/clear and the hcg gets your plumbs back into shape.
Most people then run clomid and nolvadex simultaneously for 4 or 5 weeks.
Not starting your serms until 5 weeks after you last shot seems a little strange to me. There will be very little test at all in your body. Does HCG spike testosterone for those 3 weeks to keep you going?
I'm not saying your wrong, as if it's always worked for you, how can I. Just saying it might be worth trying it the standard way to see if you keep more gains
Im always up for new things.... post your PCT in a reply mate and I will give it ago and see how I get on, cheers for the input
It's in the comment a couple above this. As with the hcg, I've always used 500ui each week spilt up twice a week.
This cycle I decided to use hcg a little late and did a 3 week blast using roughly 1000ui each of those weeks as a blast to get my balls larger before I started pct 3 days after. Hcg protocol appears to be a little looser in opinion around here. Some say don't bother. Some say it's essential and most disagree as to weather a blast or for it to be run throughout the cycle is a good idea. I have always found it helps a little and that's good enough for me. Hcg shouldn't be run during actual pct as its suppressive in itself.
If I were you I'd blast the hcg over three weeks during you last week of test injection and them the two weeks in between the steroids and pct. Then run the nolva and clomid together as stated above.
I couldn't answer your question as I've never blast/cruised before. I think you'll need to give more info though.
Do you need to or want to blast/cruise?
Have you been to the doctors?
Do you need trt or it a case that you just don't want to pct any more?
I'm your age and this question is entering my head right now as I'm finishing a cycle and starting pct. How many more times can I restart the balls before they just say no and I don't have many choices left.
Is there an argument there that says if we are going to cycle twice a year is it healthier to blast cruise? I don't know the answer but hopefully somebody could shed some light....
I suppose it also depends on your goals in life to and your personal circumstances.
Its more a case is it worth running a PCT at my age or just Cruise and blast? my doc hasnt recommended any TRT and in fairness he is very good and im open with him about what I take and will always give me regular blood test.