posted Sat, 06/24/2017 - 07:22
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+ 1 Third cycle , Test E with Test prop kicker
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Just wanted some of y'all's opinion on my third cycle.
First off my eating is locked down, no problems there.
Also I'm 34 years old.
5'8"
200lbs.
BF 10%.
This will be my third cycle first cycle was just Test E for 12 weeks leading up to my first show, second cycle was Test E 12weeks with a dbol kicker... Dbol have me some estrogen issues but had what was needed on hand to correct the issue.
Ok... So my cycle
Week 1-4
Test prop Eod 150mg (600mg week)
Weeks 1-14
Test E E3D 300mg (600mg week)
Week 1-14
Arimidex .25 mg daily ( or as needed, I convert test to estrogen )
Week 15-17
HCG 5000iu every other day
Weeks 18-22( or more depending on shut down)
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Let me know what you guys think!!!
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Yes my goal is to bulk this time around,looking for the mirror and scale to say....yea that dude is national level classic physique material.
RustyhookerThen you need makwa and medex checks. Double check your macros
1-4 prop 100eod
1-12 test e 600 split
Provi 50ed
13...100eod
14...50eod
14 start pct 2 days after last prop pin
Can you explain your adex timing, duration? How many pin spots?
Click REPLY to who you're talking to. Makes more sense.
Nice call on cycle compounds...was gonna bring up whether or not he would be a candidate for provi...I like the taper too...
RustyhookerReally simple and the free test should do him right
Thanks!!
Not sure what you mean by makwa and medex checks.
Checking macros again.
I'm thinking I'm gonna drop the prop and just do another test e cycle and see how I do with the added calories and macros..
So
1-14 test e 600 week split
2-14 arimidex .25 Ed
Pct two weeks after last pin
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid100/100/50/50
Starting the arimidex two weeks in because I convert test into estro at a higher rate and have had gyno issues before.
Have 8 pin spots and am comfortable with them all.
RustyhookerYou now see medex. Makwa is another thats good with foods. Add on good mass then as you cut for show you're still many pounds heavier than now
I figured we'd be getting into this 2 weeks from now, but today is fine...
Query Harris Benedict Equation and calculate your BMR with and without activity. Bring that number back here and we can rework your macros, if need be. You've got the opportunity to add some nice mass...we just want to make sure your cycle is a success!
We're really interested in seeing your bloodwork, too!!
without activity bmr is 1944, and with activity its 3013
my macros are
Cal. 3710
Carbs 417
protein 325
fat 82
3710
325/417/82
How many meals do you have planned on a daily basis during this bulk?
Any cardio? Bike?
Planned foods to consume?
Can you carb cycle?
7-8 meals a day
Cardio will be 3-4 times a week at 30 min. Hiit on a bike.
Foods are chicken, fish, lean beef, pork loin, eggs, broccoli, asparagus, sweet potato, rice, milk.
I can carb cycle.
My next show is not until June 2018, so have plenty of time to bulk up and then shed the fat.
RustyhookerIf bulking, I'd avoid high heart rate cardio. Research aerobic vs anaerobic. Theres onling math equation that helps you find the fat burn range.
My age is 115bpm. As a young dude it was 130.
Will do! Thanks
You're doing a good job, man...don't over cardio...15-20 min 3-4 times per week...2-3 times 20-30...1-2 times straight 30...mix it up and monitor scale, BF, mirror, lines...
Are you ecto, endo, meso, or a mix?
What's your metabolism like?
I like your foods...
Viking says turkey and rice brings home trophies
Ok, I'll keep the cardio in check for sure. I'd say in between ecto and endo. My metabolism is on the higher side, like I've never in my life had over 15% body fat. And if I don't eat with a purpose and just eat when I'm hungry I will be 148lbs real quick.
So I saw you mentioned provi earlier, and did some research, looks like that would be a great option for me, what do you think.
My first cycle was Test E for 12 weeks 500mg/wk split, with nutrition shop estro blocker, but soon found out that wasn't enough and had gyno flaring up, got letro and cleared it up.
Pct was the normal protocol
4 weeks
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
But was in contest prep so had strict diet and lower calories.
Held on to my muscle and won my novice class and second in open
Second cycle was Test E 500mg/wk split 12 weeks with a dbol kicker 4 weeks, bloated a little and gyno flared again so letro again.
Used HCG last 4 weeks 500iu weekly
Pct was same as stated above.
I recovered a hell of a lot faster with this pct and felt great.
But was once again in contest prep diet.
We'll look at bloods, then discuss compounds further in detail. Provi is always good to have on hand.
Alright!
Thank you
My appointment for blood work is in two weeks so I will let you know when I get that.
And I ment 500iu HCG not 5000iu
Nolva should be 40/40/20/20
Last cycle I could definitely tell it took about two weeks before I got my test back up enough to not feel like an emotional bitch, but like I said I'm waiting to get the blood work done.
Thank you guys for the great comments... I was under the impression that you had to take that much prop, like the whole thinking of so many mg a week.....
I've been really looking at this hard and thinking I might just go with another Text E only cylce, considering it is only my third cycle and I did get good results off of the last two...
The last two cycles coincided with shows so I retained alot of muscle but was in contest prep diet so didn't make huge gains.
Thanks for the update.
Not bad for compounds in use but your test prop dose is way too high. As suggest below reduce to 50 maybe 75mg eod. Also .25 eod for adex is enough to control the estro spike from the prop. Hcg isn't necessary if you recover fairly well from your two previous cycles. Stats would be helpful also.
RustyhookerCycle needs work. Medex below needs that info
Hashtag1981Why so much Clomid , Nolva and HCG?
Is that much test prop necessary ?
CBC, CMP, Test/Estro/FSH/LH levels? Did you recover from last cycle? Have you gotten post cycle BW, yet?
Update stats with your 10% BF and new age...
Is your goal bulk?
Kicker at 50mg eod would be more than enough, I'd still reduce the dose of enanthat as long as u running prop. Also 5000 iu Hcg eod will desensitize your leydig cells, even at that short time. A more experienced member can probably tell you more about that.
Yes if you kickstart your cycle you will go on a hormone roller coaster but I enjoy doing it.
I would use the prop to kick at 50mgs eod that way when your test e kicks in you don't have a crazy high level and then crash you still will but since you are not using an oral a prop kick is a great way to get going and to also taper off i would only use a prop kick for 3wks also.
The hcg I would use through the cycle or atleast the last 8wks up to pct. I would use 500iu a wk or 1000iu a wk
Good luck and good gains brother
After using that calculator, yes the front load seems hella crazy!!!
Time for more and more and more research.
I am not the most experienced guy on this board, but I can utilize resources available to me with the best of them. I like steroidcalc. It provides a nice rough estimate of where your blood levels will be for any given compound at a given point in time. A ballpark estimation, if you will. Even without graphing your proposed cycle, I can say that your "kicker" is absolutely insane. Even if you merely doubled the enanthate dose as a frontload for four weeks, it would still be excessive, so when you account for the lesser ester weight of prop, it's even more extreme. Sure enough, when I plotted your cycle, blood levels in the first four weeks reached a peak exactly 4 times (!) the baseline the remainder of your cycle. Why? What's the point?