posted Thu, 01/22/2015 - 08:19
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third cycle advice
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Cycle Layout:
Weeks 1-16 750 mg Test Enanth per week
Weeks 1-16 400 mg eg bold per week
Weeks 7-16 40mg Stan10 per day
Weeks 1-16 12.5 mg Exemestane per day
planning on doing a test prop taper for two weeks after at 100 mg eod
1,000 ius eod for 10 days 4 days later start serms
Clomid 100/100/50/59
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 6.25mg ed.
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well one thing is for sure, I would never suspect the guy that weighs 155 to be juicing!
lmao XP
getting caber aswell, and dropping tren
updated pct
Weeks 1-4- 40 mg Nolva per day
Weeks 1-4 100mg Clomiphene per day
Weeks 1-4 1mg Anastrozole per day
Week 1- 4,500 iu HCG
Week 2- 3,000 iu HCG
Week 3- 1,500 iu HCG
AnonI wouldn't run hcg or adex in pct. If you do run hcg, run it 3-4 weeks right before starting pct. If you want to run an ai during pct look into a low dose of aromasin, like 6.25mg/day.
i'll take your advice, it will be cheaper and easier anyway. I don't think hcg would be effective when I already have low test anyway. I was thinking adex for the long ester but if I wait 3 weeks I agree that I don't see the need. thanks!
RustyhookerWhy aren't you reading the 1000+ pct forums? Your here sspoonfeeding.
I honestly didn't think of that, dunce, i've been googling. There is alot of varied seemingly reputable info out there
RustyhookerUse the dropdowns. Join first cycle group too. Tons if info.
thanks
Way over the top for your experience level and size.
Please tell me that's not you in your avatar... If it is, block your face asap. If not, well...
Why are you jumping on the tren train so early? What are your goals here? What were your first two cycles?
This cycle isn't good. You are missing a bunch of stuff.
first cycle was just test cyp at 500mg/week, second cycle was test cyp500mg/week and decca250mg/week with dbol kick. Last one I got my test from stealth and think it was bunk but the decca was bd which gave me a nice rounded look, made all my gains durring my prop taper no test withdraw at all. Looking to gain 20 more lbs of lean mass without too much water retention because I box. i'm 5'5" 150lbs %13 bf
We need to look at the bigger picture here. Take away the fat and you are walking around at 130lbs even after two cycles. Something is not working. You need to take a step back and look at your diet first and training next. Tren isn't going to make up for those deficencies. At your current size and with relatively little cycle experience there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be able to make huge gains with a proper diet and some additional test. I think anyone here recommending you go down the tren path without proof that you can gain with a proper diet and training and basic cycling is sending you down a dangerous path.
x2 !
RustyhookerStats? Goals? Cycle is nutty...
13psp13Looks fine to me as long as he has caber or prami on hand should be a nice cycle with good lean gains if he eats correctly
RustyhookerThird cycle? That's nutty. Dudes just 155 after 2 prior cycles. Test, provi, orals is more than enough
I was going to go with prolactin inhibitors like b6, same, vitamin E, and zinc to keep those levels down. But Caber may be easier on my liver.
RustyhookerBe at doses needed cause permanent nerve damage. Read sides for b6
Except he's running tren as long as he's running test, which usually isn't advised. And when you add everything up, unless he's not only a true hard gaining ectomorph and has low responsiveness to steroids, those are some large amounts for one to be taking for a third cycle.
RustyhookerNot that anyone will listen. Hell, I'm just 5-4 near 200....
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/its-not-the-gear
nice, I would love to get up around 180 within the year
I do have low test naturally, 500mg of cyp wasnt giving me the same results as friends doing the same dose so i'm going to kick it up a notch, if side occur I will adjust.
I have natural low test levels myself, whether from PH use or just shitty genetics, but that had nothing to do with my sensitivity. I had bloods drawn and openly discussed my first two real cycles with my doctor, and from what we saw I didn't respond well to a 500mg dose of test but bumping it to 650 brought them inline with where I should be cycling. I've further tweaked it from there at my discretion. Your gains ARE NOT dictated by steroid usage, they are dictated by eating. I gained just fine on 500mg as I did on 650mg.
thanks for the input I will focus on diet this cycle
Why not focus on diet, get that inline 110%, then rethink the cycle and jump on? If you're trying to figure out the proper diet while already on cycle, you're wasting the cycle.
good idea, I will give myself another couple of months and find a good diet for gains.
You won't regret the decision man. There's tons of info on here if you want to dial in the diet. I'd suggest posting in the diet clinic sticky, and just be honest.
RustyhookerThat's 100% food dude. Or bloods to prove that?
X2
I think it was Viking that said "there is no such thing as a hardgainer, only a poor eater."
I love your stats, I will be studying my diet, I plan to use choosemyplate.org to help me stay on track and keep a food and exercise log adjusting my kcal intake.
RustyhookerIf I carry fat...it's my fault. Foods.
If I show abs...my gain. Foods.
Agree with what you posted up top.
100% truth. If you're not eating, you're not doing it right!
I will concentrate more on my diet this time around, and monitor and make sure I stay at 3,6k cals a day this time around. And i'm ordering a blood test, my test was at 206 before I started my first cycle a couple years ago.
Rustyhooker3600 isn't hardly maintenance. True ectomorph 5000 is growing phase.
Get 300 grams protein in there. Carbs up there and healthy fats.
dam thats going to take some eating, I try to keep my diet around half complex carbs, and 20% healthy fats, and pairing my foods for complementary proteins where ever possible.
RustyhookerMakwa competes and better with dialing a diet.
What are you doing at gym? How? Run the rack. Pyramids, splits?
I alternate usually one week i'll tear it down as much weight I can handle for 10 rep range and pyramid 10/8/6/1-3, the next week i'll go lighter in weight and as many reps as I can no countiing. I do a hypertrophy split so i'm getting the most out of that hour. and cardio 4 days a week, run two miles jump rope three rounds work heavy bag 7 rounds, spar 3-6 rounds then finish on the speed bag.
Nuttier than a squirrel turd.
RustyhookerEspecially if true ectomorph
And as a fellow hard gainer, food manipulation will benefit more than steroids will. Seems to me his diet is not 110%.
yes i'm a very tuff gainer
but also want to get rid of a layer of fat over my abs to get that cut look without starving myself. I run every day but that soluble fat wants to stay just enough to cover my abs. I do hello weighted decline situps and windmills hanging from a pull up bar too. No one says i'm skinny for sure, but I want to take it up a level nothing too bulky just a little more size and chiseled, i'll probably keep 13lbs after water weight is gone.
13psp13You need a more intense workout routine brother you want something that will truly force the muscle to grow that looks extremely weak if you ask me
RustyhookerMost ectomorph don't have fat which then makes me wonder foods? Cycle isn't good imo