+ 7 Thinking about starting your first cycle? Here's my expereince
Hey guys, I'm running my first ever cycle right now, it's going perfect so far(3 weeks in) I'm running Test-E at 250mg every 3rd day.
Stats as of Monday 1st day of 3rd week
27 years old
180lbs
10-11%BF
7 years of training experience
1st cycle
So lately while reading through the forms I've noticed a good deal of guys coming here wanting to throw tren into their first cycle. I hope with my short experience from my current cycle these guys can understand that they are trying to give them the best advise possible from their personal experience, and the vets on this board are not here to lie to you and make you look bad!
While I personally have no experience with tren, at one point was one of those guys(granted I never posted about it) I came here asking about running an oral only cycle and was quickly shut down. I then went back to the drawing board and eventually came back here and posted for advice on I believe an EQ, Test-P, Test-E cycle this time for mass gain. Some guys gave me advice on this but once again the general conciseness was STICK WITH ONE SUBSTANCE YOUR FIRST CYCLE. I left the boards talked it over with two guys who take gear on a regular basis and they also agreed one substance for your first cycle is not only the safest way to go but being your body has NEVER had any type of chemical put into it your body's hormones are going to go crazy over said substance and you'll see amazing gains from just using one. Additionally if you throw every substance under the sun into your body on your very first cycle those same hormone receptors will get saturated by those substances and any cycle you run after that you will need the same amount of gear if not more to see any results. My understand of it is you run your first cycle with the STRONGEST steroid there is on your first cycle, then for whatever reason you go back to something simple like a test-p cycle, well it's not going to work!
Anyways, my current cycle is
Weeks 1-12-Test-E 250mg E3D
Weeks 1-12-Arimidex .25mg E3D as needed
PCT 2.5 weeks after my last shot
Clomid/Tamoxifen
I'm loving this cycle so far, granted I know I'm only in the 3rd week of this cycle and the ester of Test-E is probably just now starting to kick in but I've gone up 10lbs in these 3 weeks(again this is most likely from diet since I was in the process of cutting down before I stopped and decided to bulk) My body fat has stayed exactly the same even though I'm eating 5200 calories a day. But I'm also seeing how my body reacts to the test, if I was on more than one type of gear right now, and started to break out or get hair loss or any of the other sides from using gear I'd be completely lost as to what could be causing these bad reactions. This is YOUR BODY people yes, we as a whole might not be doing the best thing to take care of it, but, there are SAFE ways to use AAS and from my short time using and reading up on them I know one thing BE SMART the vets on here have made mistakes that you don't need to make and are willing to share those with you!! How can you just ignore them and move on like "psh this is some old washed up dude mad that I'm going to get huge and he wont" Wrong by ignoring advise and throwing 1ml of tren into your body every single day because its a "super drug" you'll soon be that same washed up guy you made fun of 3 months ago, or worse in a hospital.
Now to all the 17-25 year olds, I'm confident in these first 3 weeks of my cycle 90% of my gains have came from food alone, that's right FOOD ALONE and I'm 27 years old been beaten up gone to war done drugs treated my body like shit and I STILL have put on 10lbs in a short amount of time and look good enough to look at myself in a mirror every time I walk by. So if I can gain decent weight in 3 weeks just think about what you, filled to the brim with your own test could do if you listened to the guys saying DIET DIET DIET!! Be real for a minute and know in 3 years you will not be standing on the Olympia stage, so you wanting these drugs because you need to be huge or a trainer told you you're the next Phil Heath is a bunch of bull shit. If you get a diet in check I promise you you'll look better than a majority of the old guys on here on steroids why? Because you're body is still growing and ours isn't! You NEED to think about your future and how your body is going to be in 10-20 years from now, even if you to become the next Mr. O that life won't last forever you need to make sure your body can function when your 50, 60, 70 years old. THINK for fucks sake. I promise before I started this cycle I was very very tempted to get tren "look sick" but thanks to the guys on here and the knowledge they gave to me I didn't and I'm happy for it can can not wait to see what this full cycle has in store for me.
Hopefully for those of you that read this rant all the way through it gave you some first hand insight, help and advise from someone who is brand new to this community and using gear in general.
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Not strictly true........... all compounds will work each and every time you use them, all have their characteristics and good/bad side effects (dose dependant) when the correct environment is created within the body by nutrition !... you can use gallons of gear if you wish but if the nutritional needs are lacking so will the effects of each and every steroid........ period.
We have all seen the dick comments that a calorie is a calorie not matter what it is made up of lol..... we see other dicks saying tren melts fat!.. winny and var melt fat etc..... all pure bullshit!.... each compound will bring its own unique abilities to the fore purely through the macro created environment we force upon the body by nutritional practices, after you have practised the art of compound/nutrition balancing for a few years you will 100% understand what i mean here.
Competition prep and total body conditioning is the only way to truly learn the black arts of AAS kung fu.
To all the weekend warriors out there.... why not take a little more time and effort and build a body that truly deserves that "Tren look" for when the time is right instead of trying to create the illusion that a 168lbs torso with the depth of a fkn credit card is something that has taken blood,sweat and tears to build.
Just sayin.............
RustyhookerThat adex dose is MEGA high!
x 2 to much adex for test only cycle and starting it day 1 isnt ideal with long ester, get bloods, estro may be killed.also 4 weeks is pushing it to start pct, 2.5 weeks is better with this cycle.
Thanks man, I'll be getting my bloods done Friday to check on my estrogen. Updated the AI to every 3rd day as needed and changed when I'll start my PCT. Do you think I should just drop the AI completely now or keep running it every 3rd day?
e3d is better, bloods will tell you what direction you need to take, think about it, you took adex day 1, you didnt have any estrogen to control yet, then you took it daily, so good chance you killed it, bloods bro, get results and adjust.
It is? I'll look into dosage more then, though gyno is my biggest concern lol
Yeah more like .25 e3d as a starting point. Bump from there as you see fit based on the sides noid described. Another thing you should look into is the half lives of the drugs you're using. Like adex. That's a good thing to know.
you will experience signs of gyno long before it sets in, itchy nipples, kinda feels like they are bruised if you push them in, over sensitive, retaining water, if you experience them bump up your dose.
Yes bro. +1
Good job can't preach this enough. +1
I'd +3 if I could. Very eloquently put.
+1 for a solid cycle. While you may find lots of folks thinking 4 weeks after last pin is to late for PCT, I think it will work well for you.
Bingo. +1
Shit I didn't realize this was posted.....I'm still typing more into it lol
Hahaha woops!! Well what you've got so far is good!
Updated! Thanks brother hopefully the new guys coming through here can see, the advise given is solid and in their best interest!