Test/Tren/Deca ??
Hey guys, i thought i would make a thread and get some feedback on this new cycle i am trying out. I have been reading different forums and have heard that tren and deca are not a very good mix, due to the high levels of prolactin. im 24 and this is my 4th cycle. im 192lbs about 13% bf right now.
i am on first week of Test e at 500mg, 300mg tren e, and 300mg of deca. i plan on adding 50mg of winny ed and arimidex.
I have been given some advice to maybe swap out the tren for another compound, or the deca. This is my first time using deca so i wanted to keep it in this cycle. i was thinking of switching the tren to EQ. or if anyone has any other suggestions i am open to it. My goal for this cycle is to just lean out as well as put on mass obviously. i have done fairly heavy cycles in the past so this one seems small to me, but i havent done many different compounds.
Any feedback would be great! Thanks
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Why are you less than 200lbs at 5-11 and 13%BF after 4 cycles?
Way too much gear.
i am always cutting on my cycles. very low carbs. so i always lean out.
You didn't answer my question. You have run 4 cycles and are still way under 200lbs, why is that? Are you weight restricted (boxer, martial arts etc) or is there something else going on? On face value is looks as though you're not getting much out of our cycles.
Should I be over 200lbs? I have been off for 6 months and have not followed my diet at all. I believe in the peak of my last cycle I was 190lbs or so and about 9% bf. Abs very defined. Fairly vascular and great strength. Carbs we're extremely low. I would assume I would have gained much more muscle if I was packing on carbs every 3 hours. My training was rather intense. 6-7 exercises per musclegroup. I'm not sure why i don't blow up and go over 200lbs because my cycles are fairly big. My only guess would be my diet. I'm not entirely sure. But I'm always extremely cut and vascular. I'll try to post a pic of the tail end of my last cycle.
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I would think you'd be well over 200 and I also feel that 4 cycles at age 24 is too young
That's just my opinion... But anyway no sense in having that convo now
I started too young too if I could do it over I would have waited til I was older
yea i hear u. :/ too late i guess lol
The way you've worded this answers your question.
It seems that you think how much gear you run is more important than your diet. It isn't. You're making the mistake that a lot of guys do, "if I run a shed load of gear I'll get big". Not without adequate nutrition you won't, no matter how many steroids you take. I get youngsters asking me about good in the gym all the time, they don't eat anything but protein shakes and can't understand why they're not getting huge when they're tsking gear. They often think I'm joking when intel them how much I eat.
I'm assuming here, (possibly incorrectly), that the goal is putting on size? If that is the case, until you address the diet issue you're going to get disappointing results from cycles. Don't be afraid of carbs, you need them in big quantities to bulk.
My honest opinion is that you're on a bit of a dubious path, one where you "tread water" rather than move forward. You've used a lot of gear to get to a point many achieve naturally. I'd sort your nutrition out first, then worry about your cycle.
honestly, i dont want to get that big. i posted a random pic in my profile of when i was on my last cycle. thats my ideal size. i would love to be able to maintain that. i want to be extremely cut and vascular. thats why i choose to go on low carbs. i fear that i wont stay lean. when in fact i think if i had the right diet i could still put on mass with lean muscle.
Then you should be able to do that on fairly basic cycles which will be easier to recover from. That way you're likely to have greater longevity in this sport.
well i cut out the EQ now. i think what im on now is still above average but not so intense. 750mg test. 400mg tren, 75-100mg win
Honestly mate I think your approach is all wrong here, but I wish you all the best with your progress.
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Interesting point. I would assume if he was weight restricted by some martial art, he wouldn't be using tren as it is quite counterproductive to his needs no?
Put it this way, as an ex international martial arts competitor I wouldn't fancy it lol!
Deca and tren. Good luck recoverying fast. Why not deca ans eq? Mate your rushingn into it. It's a marathon not a sprint. Good luck but. Hope you find your answer. Btw whats your goal?. There two very different compounds, with different goals. Why tren? Maybe try something like npp or deca. 3 cycle doesn't warrant you a vet. Please reconsider, recently I had myself convinced I was ready for tren, rushing into tren when I was still making great gains on medium doses of test, I got great advice and glad I reconsidered because it would have been a hard cycle....(big sides) why not enjoy.your cycles for little longe, before your sweating your ass off and never sleepin.
Great advice from rustyhooker and pauly B, I agree ....+1
ive already tried tren ace on my last cycle and i loved it. i was on clen as well and yes the sides were bad. my bed was a swimming pool every night. the point of this thread was only to get information on how deca and tren will react TOGETHER. nothing more.
You could replace the tren with some chickenbolan....
Maybe stack that with some potatovar???
So your 5.11(180cm) and weigh in at 192lbs (87kgs). With around 13% bodyfat?
Maybe you should dial in your diet before throwing them compounds at your body.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
Not to mention your 24 years old and Eroids policy isn't to help people under 25, but I made same mistakes when I was younger and hate to see you on TRT Train after this. You should still have relatively high test levels... but you have ran 3 cycles and this is your 4th, do you expect to be able to recover after running both Trenbolone and Nandrolone together.
i would hope i could recover, just assume it would take longer. i think im set on swapping out the deca and adding EQ. would have just liked some more info instead of getting jumped on lol. i have a good diet. i have had great gains on my other cycles.
RustyhookerYour stats don't match your proper age or you faked em?
Cycle is full nut shutdown. Guess you don't need balls though right?!
Full stats? Real stats and goals??
185 cut is your weight less the 13%. Fill us in because trt....bam
um i havent updated on profile but the bf % was just a guess. im not 100% where i stand but i would say around 13% maybe a bit more as i have stopped dieting over the winter. but i believe i was at 9% bf in the summer. my last cycle was 800mg test e, 100 tren a e/d and 60mg var e/d
what do you think about swapping the deca out for EQ and adding anadrol? or maybe winny
RustyhookerAdding mass is your goal...that's set by food. Why not a simple test/bold cyp with shorts or orals? Tren for me just isn't fun. I'd rather enjoy my cycle
i really liked tren on my last cycle. i just wanted to try deca, from what people are saying i think its a bad idea. i am going to switch to eq.
Yea tren is bad for me too