Test/Tren/Deca ??
Hey guys, i thought i would make a thread and get some feedback on this new cycle i am trying out. I have been reading different forums and have heard that tren and deca are not a very good mix, due to the high levels of prolactin. im 24 and this is my 4th cycle. im 192lbs about 13% bf right now.
i am on first week of Test e at 500mg, 300mg tren e, and 300mg of deca. i plan on adding 50mg of winny ed and arimidex.
I have been given some advice to maybe swap out the tren for another compound, or the deca. This is my first time using deca so i wanted to keep it in this cycle. i was thinking of switching the tren to EQ. or if anyone has any other suggestions i am open to it. My goal for this cycle is to just lean out as well as put on mass obviously. i have done fairly heavy cycles in the past so this one seems small to me, but i havent done many different compounds.
Any feedback would be great! Thanks
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AnonBesides your young age, its a shitty cycle, research the compounds and realise why, not only the compound combination but your ai dose and your pct, sorry bro but thats just the truth, the cycle is just shit, dont do it, you will end up on trt for fk all.
750mg test e
500mg tren e
300mg deca
75mg winny ed
1mg arimidex eod
clomid 100/100/50/50
hcg 500iu ED 12-14 days
im set on this, if anyone wants the add on my pct with good suggestions i am open to it. if not i will continue running this and if people are interested ill update how things are going.
cbass9955Read up on hcg. You don't want to do it for pct. It is meant to be used while on cycle. If it's to late to run it on cycle (about half way through) then run it alone a week after last test inject. Your not going to get much help here if they don't agree with you. Just Google your question. You will find out half of them don't know what the hell they are talking about anyway.
I just realized my pct pills I got from a top notch source on here that is now private contains not only serms but an ai. Your going to get strong on that cycle nobody will doubt that its when the vial is empty when you will have a problem. You need to loose the deca or the tren. Google is your friend
Let GOOGLE become your new forum.............. i cant sit back and watch these guys give good info out just to be made to look foolish by a fkn prick like you............ get to fuck! you just got BANNED.
Wtf....
Man you need to grow the hell up, why sign up to an information site and ask for inform if you're not going to take it and more so go running your mouth afterwards like your in the play ground.
I've been running gear for 15 years...5 comps I've competed in and guess what....I'm still learning from not only well respected members but from everyone and that includes me learning from you!
As you have just taught me to not give you advice again....see like a said... ALWAYS LEARNING.
Sigh......
Actually you received a lot of help, sensible and responsible help, but you're impatient, (your words), and didn't like being told that a guy under 170lbs at your height doesn't need steroids, he needs a diet adjustment.
If the info is so bad why not just leave? Not familiar with aromasin use during PCT? Here's a hint estrogen is the regulatory hormone for test production, now go google that.
Have fun.
thx babe
Take it easy bro .. guys are trying to help and direct you right thats all!.......... no need to get pissy or you may feel the weight of the door hitting you on the way out........... i want you to stick around because a pound to a piece of shit someone here is gonna have to put you back together very shortly after this truck you just built runs over your toes.
Help me out.............. stay cool K.
yea no im cool, i just feel everyone is so condescending and aggresive.
Imagine your watching a kid ride his bike off a cliff. Do you whisper or yell?
so cut out deca?
Cut out both 19nor's. There's no rush and if you can't get it done on a test only cycle then adding tren or deca isn't going to do it for you.
Anytime honey, but just don't come to me when youre no longer able to use the little pickle ok? I'm not gonna coddle you. Granted, you'll have bigger problems than that.
its ok, im sure ill get it working eventually.
Wk 6 should be fun........ lmfao!
PCT wont cut the mustard after this ride...... car jump leads and a 12V battery strapped to his nutz may help, but i forsee a screaming HPTA that may need a couple of years to recover, and even then it may still be faulty.
lol fuck, ur scaring me
That's week three. Two jumps per day.
if anyone is still interested in wasting time on me, please explain why this wont cut it:
clomid 100/100/50/50
hcg 500 iu ED for 4 weeks
I hope your PCT is pharma grade. I wonder f you know how to tell if it's working? What levels are supposed to be raised by these Magic pills?? Haha. Good luck
Spend about an hour searching though the site and look up PCT's that folks have successfully run with a cycle similar to yours. There are hundreds of examples. If you still have questions, then bring back what you've found and folks will be more inclined to help.
You've shown you're not great at listening to advice so far, so prove differently and you'll find what you need.
I guess i didnt really listen to everyone because i decided to continue with my cycle. I am on week 3 atm of 750mg test e, 500mg tren e, 300mg deca, 75mg winny ed. I am blowing up like crazy. my strength is through the roof. This has to be one of the best cycles i have ever done. I will have to get my PCT perfect in order to bounce back from this one.
Let's be honest here, you ignored everyone, (which I thought you would), and now you're back telling everyone how great it is when you're only in week 3. You are perfectly entitled to do whatever you want, but this is a bit of a crap post. It looks like you're being a smart ass and a bit disrespectful to those that wasted their time trying to help you.
This is exactly the sort of thing that keeps a lot of the more experienced members from investing their time in the cycles section.
×2. this keeps me away , I get so worked up over this shit , I have to laugh at myself sometimes , I cant help someone that dont want help, and im not cosigning , shit ..
We were just discussing this the other day.
If someone is going to ask questions and involve others, then at least have the courtesy to listen, think about it and do some research on it. I know that's just crazy talk, but I'm off my meds again...
Get back in your room vhman, it's not bingo hour yet...
I'm confused and lost. Can you help me sonny???
theres no way he is on week 3... he posted that first part on March 1st... it is now March 13th. Thats 12 days. So either he started before he asked the question (moron) or he is only 12 days in and thinks the enanthate esters are giving him 'massive gains' (bigger moron). Just wait until everything kicks in then he will come back whining and moaning because his nipples are leaking, his estro is flaring and his body freaks out. Good luck recovering from that cycle too kid.
not to mention this guys first cycle he was told not to run multiple compounds by shreddedcheddar, said he wouldn't and still did. Its like talking to a wall. OP I mean no disrespect but you should heed the advice you are given here. Most of these guys, including myself, have tried something stupid like your 300deca/tren combo and paid dearly for it. Its all advice but its only good advice if you actually follow it
yes i started before i asked the question. i was planning on changing the cycle. i pinned feb 26th. thanks for the luck.
you are right, im not trying to be disrespectful, i appreciate the time and effort that was put in. im just stubborn. I post in order to get feedback as well as other peoples opinion. I make my own decisions in the end. I could very well be wrong about this. But i know myself so, we will see how this progresses.
You mean, you didn't listen, ran the cycle with two 19nors anyway, all BEFORE having an idea of exactly wtf you're doing for a PCT?
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and no, i have a good idea of what my pct looks like.
Post it up. I'm curious.
clomid 100/50/50/50 i like to start 1 week after last pin
hcg 500 iu ED
maybe nolvadex, havent decided
Dude....
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Nah, it's not worth my time. Enjoy
That is most definitely NOT going to cut it.
what needs to be changed 100/100/50/50 ?
Let's try this a different way. Go away and read up about standard pct protocol in general. Then read about 19 nor recovery. Am I going to write out a out plan for you? Honestly, the fact that you've posted this pct just reinforces why you're a million miles away from running a cycle of this nature.
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You want to read up a lot on when to begin your PCT, if you're using decanoate ester it can be 2-3 months until it's low enough in your blood to stop shutting you down. If you start PCT any time before then it's possible your HPTA won't recover.
OK well. I've been thinking about it. And maybe I'm too aggressive with my compounds. I've done too many cycles for my age. So I'm going to remove the eq. I'm going to be pinning 750mg test e, and 400mg tren e, with 75-100mg Winny Ed. That's still a rather heavy cycle but I think the eq isn't necessary. I'll let u guys know how it goes. Quick question. I have some deca left over, what if I used tren for 10 weeks then switched to deca for the last 5-6?
Anon5-6 weeks of deca would be a waste, takes that long to kick in. You just said you were being too aggressive with your compounds and then ask if you can add deca on the back of a tren cycle....
If you gonna go for a 16+ week cycle and are concerned with staying lean and vascular then a low test/high eq cycle would work just fine and be easier to recover from then tren/deca.
This is a troll right? Can't be serious. Mate, these guys know what there talking about, there very experienced. If all 5 of them say tren is a bad idea for you and your goals, I would take there word for it and try something else. Tren isn't the only 'leaning'/ pre.comp compound but it's for sure the harshest. Your probably going to do It anyway, atleast get bloods and good luck.
my question was not whether to use tren, it was whether to use tren with deca. i have used tren before and i like the results i got. i just wanted to know how both those compounds react with eachother. i realize now it could be a mistake to use both tren and deca in the same cycle. so now i am altering it.
Alright fair call. Enjoy and good luck. Keep an update cycle log, curious to hear your result
upping the test to 750mg enathate once a week, 600mg EQ, 400mg tren e, 50mg winstrol ed
I would stay to the basics man.
-Test
-d ball
-EQ
AND EAT LIKE A CHAMPION!! I think you'll be surprised what good clean eating and training hard at the gym could get you bud.
Tren should be used if you're prepping for a body building show. Are you getting ready to compete soon? If not I would leave the tren out. And FYI decca shuts you down HARD! just as hard as the tren. Just my .02 you have your whole life ahead of you man so make sure you use your head man. Good luck keep us posted on what you do.
Wouldn't really call EQ 'basics'
You have to run it in a pretty long cycle to get the benefit, unless you front load, so it's hardly beginner friendly or considered a part of the basics at all imo.