Test/tren/deca
New to the site so forgive me if this is posted in the wrong section. Also I have searched all over and can't seem to find legitimate answers. Who here has ran a full cycle of mix3 10-12 weeks? Dosage? Sides? PCT? Any sups during?
I have read not to mix tren and deca but have also found that people have, but no elaboration on cycles. I have done test/tren and test/deca cycles in the past sides of both were very minimal and controllable PCT for both was arimdex. Never acquired body shutdown either.
Once again forgive me for being a noob to the site. Just looking to make sure I can get the most information as possible before use.
On hand have
Test/tren/deca mix
Arimdex
Clomed
Nolva
Dbol (bonus)
Looking for recommendations on PCT, as well as if anything else will be needed to achieve proper gains. Recent blood work came back good no abnormalities, 6 months no sups, but plan on getting tests again before or two weeks in, once good setup.
Stats
30 yrs
175-180 (varies with work schedule)
5'9"
Thanks in advanced
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Test/ tren / deca mix?
Fukn irresponsible lab who made that.
Cunts.
Was told I'm not allowed to list specific brands or sources for this post.
It was rhetorical dont post brands.
Figured. Still getting used to these types of boards.
Cycle history?
You want experience?
I rant test e/ tren e/ deca/ anadrol.
It took me 3 times longer in power pcts to recover than the cycle and wether you pct or trt you will drop size, strength, weight, and everything else.
Think for a minute?? 3 compounds, 2 19nors, you saturate your body, of course you grow but what happen when you drop them?
Do you know power pct?
Hcg
Clomid
Nolva
Aromasin
Plus a heap of natural helpers like daa/ testofen .
All them in massive doses for long periods of time just to try and reboot, i had to rinse and repeat it twice mate.
How do you think all that in your system helps gym/ gains??
Just stick with test and one 19nor if you are experienced.
Its not worth it trust me.
Thanks for a post of actual use those are the clarifications I was hoping to hear. Not saying any advice was bad, just wanted actual testimonials. If you don't mind me asking what dosage were you using? The reading I have come across has been, to me what seems to me, excessive high for this combination.
Not in forum bro.
It was wreckless.
Most of my cycles have been.
Including abuse.
These days im smarter and happier back to basics.
Every now and then you gotta reevaluate and take steps back.
Ive taken a fair amount of time off juice, and im on again now but test only with a bit of drol every now and then.
Honestly when it comes to tren or deca dont take it lightly, once you take that plunge your in it for life its notva recreational choice imo.
No need for 2 19nors. Even if competing imo.
Advanced stacks for the serious body builder/ gym rat is test/nor/dht .
No need for anything else exotic etc.
If you cant gain on basics diet and training needs serious adjusting
Thank you for the helpful advice I greatly appreciate it. I am gonna reevaluate and as you mentioned start with fine tuning the basics. Thanks again
Thanks for all the great advice and negative responses. I have already decided to hold off and gather more research from people that have had success and used the combination.
Admin can close the post.
You should listen to all sides of the argument
Important for your health
Good luck
Yea I agree I am listening to both sides it would just be more helpful if they were coming from experience. Someone saying this is what happened, this is where I f**ked up. The things I have read of people using this combo has been on the extreme dose level. Upwards of 1000mg, which with any product I would never attempt, minimal sides, some with moderate. It's a coin toss either way. But as stated I am not using this product at this time, I should have had all ducks in a line prior so error on my part. Gonna focus on my intake, adjust accordingly to work schedule and being outside all day, and keep researching. Or source different products.
You want testimonies from experience I'll give you one.
In 2015 I ran test c and deca test at 500 deca at 250 ran 14 weeks dropped the deca at week 12 used cabergoline and adex followed procedure to a fucking T finished cycle ran pct protocol standard advice given to me by pros on here. And I fell flat on my face from shut down. I would go from happy to crying in a split second I couldn't sleep I couldn't eat I couldn't have sex with my wife I was a wreck. I ended the cycle at 225 and after 2 months I dropped to 187 which was 13 pounds lighter than when I started the cycle. I stayed messed up for 5 and a half months until I started feeling right again this is o lie I posted forums pmd people trying to figure out where I went wrong and what to do.
That was deca alone now add the most potent AAS you get on top of it.... it's a recipe for disaster. I'm glad you held off but I advise to not do it period my dude you'll regret it. Is that a good enough experience for you?
Thanks for user advice. My last deca/test cycle wasn't near that dosage, test c 250 and deca if I recall was 100. The cycles I have done in the past have been on the lower dosage, so haven't experienced any negative sides. Tren cycle I did get water retention and slight acne on shoulders. Not sure if it's my body's reaction to both solutions but both, used separately, gave me a sex drive like a bull shark!! Even after no issues, but then again that was low dosages. Not comparing this combo to usage of individual solutions because mixtures can always be different. Thanks again for you're input.
Don't see the fascination myself, as for gathering more info, what are you looking to gather in your research?
Well I got it for one don't wanna just throw it out, but gonna hold off. I'd prefer to gather info on actual usage, you know someone that has used it results dosage sides and so on. Everyone on here has given good advice but has not expressed if it was from literature or experience. For every comment saying don't mix I find atleast one that opposes it. Same with the prolactin claims 50/50 could be user could be dosage, e2 levels.
New to the site and don't wanna piss anyone off but just asking about this has ruffled feathers. Better to have asked prior, than asking uhhh I have problems due to usage what do I do.
Sides- everything and everything plus more.
Permanent shut down and infertility being a couple.
Get too fuck
What's with everyone fascination with running tren and deca together? Bad idea man very bad idea
Good to see you back mate.
Unsure, over doing it I imagine and trying to compensate for a shitty diet.
Good to be back brothah. Hope all has been well with you. More than likely I can't speak on the diet cause I eat like shit more than I should but I don't use that as an excuse to use crazy combinations and stacks what happened to a good Ole test e / proviron cycle :( we are doomed
Unless you are 6% body fat, all you need is to eat more.
I don't think I'm that lean, but not sure of actual bf% at the moment.
Gonna hold off on this until I do get more info and reviews from people who have used it as well as goals they were trying to achieve with dosages. Don't need to f myself up because the information isn't there.
Also tren is counterproductive with deca or with gaining mass? My buddy has been doing tren only cycles for the last couple years and hes gained alot of bulk, 40# within the last 9 months. Not relevant just asking
RustyhookerPix might help. No face shots.
Comparing to your buddy....not a good gauge. He might be cramming 5000 plus cals and be crushing it. Throw in genetics....
But 40pounds in 9 months, whats he not telling you? He's got a whole chemistry lab going on for those gains. I'd be curious to see his bloods. Bp. Etc.
I wasn't comparing myself to him by any means. Not sure of his cycle or dieting so he may be high calorie probably all shakes I'm sure.
I'm gonna up my intake, this summer heat sucks, feel I burn more than I take in.
Still researching so I'm gonna hold off on this combo until further notice.
Extremely relevant actually
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This will be my fourth. Have done test only Test/deca and test/tren in the past. My metabolism is stupid, have tried multiple meal plans over the last couple years none have been able to beef up or gain weight and thats with protein supps included.
JL, it's a mix not individual products that is the dosage per cc.
The more research I have been doing the more confusing this mix becomes. It keeps going both ways as far bulking and also stating it's better for cutting, but all the statements I have seen are based on an extremely high dose 600/400/400 (test/tren/deca) I'm not about to go that far with it. Also the prolactin goes both ways as well. Saying not related to mix of both nor in cycle, caused by not keeping e2 regulated properly while using both.
Believe me I'm reading every little bit I can prior but like I said it's a coin toss for and against. Also extreme amounts.
If it wasn't a mix it would be so much easier, being that I used the products in the past.
Don't base your cycle on what you have. Base your cycle on what you want to accomplish. You are asking for trouble with that mix. You seem to lack the experience to run these compounds.
If you are after mass. Start in the kitchen and get your caloric intake dialed in. If you aren't eating enough all the steroids won't help!
RustyhookerSurely looks like first cycle.... whats your priors?
Underweight bro. Food alone should have you rocked over 200
Goals are for mass and strength, with proper dieting of course, still working out the fine details before starting, reason for being here. I have taken both before with test with no issues, just never the two together. The only side I noticed with tren was water retention and slight acne. All the reviews I have found on this combination have been 50/50 for sides some get them some dont, and not much mention PCT or on cycle meds. If in fact there are two many issues with this combination I will revert back and eliminate one of the two Nors if need be.
The dose is test e 200 tren e 100 and deca 200, its a hefty amount that's for sure. My thought was to split 1cc twice a week, most reviews people were doing 2cc week f that.
Once again I'm hoping to get good suggestions and advice without negativity.
I wouldn't run tren if you are trying for mass. It's counterproductive Imo. Is that your weekly dose of each compound? Sorry your explanation is a little confusing.
Absolute nonsense.re:tren
Smh
We should tell that to all the farmers who use fina on their cattle. "Don't give them tren to bulk them up. It's counterproductive."
lol of course tren can be used to bulk. It depends on diet. Not that I'm recommending it here, just pointing out how silly it is to call tren a "counterproductive" bulking steroid.
People and cattle are far from the same. The op mentioned he is a bit of a hard gainer with a fast metabolism. Tren may help him put on a little lean mass but it definitely would not be my first choice to bulk up. Tren is also known to suppress the appetite for many, which would make gaining weight that much more difficult for the OP. That is why I made the statement that I did.
Some guys have no appetite on it, others become ravenous. Some guys can't run it at all. It depends on the person. That's why blanket statements like "tren is counterproductive for bulking" can't be made. It may or may not be counterproductive, depending on the person, depending on the training, depending on the diet.
What are your goals this cycle? Build mass I hope?
19nors can cause build up of prolactin. Which in turn will make guys lactate. Are you prepared for this if it occurs?
I will continue to search for proper PCT using the magic search bar. Thanks for the help on posting rules I'll better my research and quidelines prior to posting.
5.9 175 lbs.........Ionut, is that you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyo4LlYC3x8
just kidding.
Goals? Diet? Why at 175 are you using AAS, specifically these 'harsh' compounds and why considering a combo?
175lbs.... lightweight baby. Funnily enough, deca is one of the most used compounds for in therapy for cachexia.... ever... you got anorexia or aids or something?
Need info. Only "legitimate answers"
Edit your post to exclude the brand and mix name, as the lads say below
1) At first you should learn the basics, read the profiles from all compounds, then u should also read a topic about a correct PCT or maybe avanced guys will help u here.
2) Your stats are not the best 175 - 180 by 5'9 (BF ?) for a cycle like this imo.
3) Delete the names . Write Test/Deca/Tren Mix instead of *** * , its against the rules.
4) How exactly did your cycles looked in the past?
Your pct was just arimidex!?
seems so!