-1 Test, Tren, Var Cycle Advice
Cycle:
Test E 300/ML x 3
Tren Ace 100/ML x 2-3
Anavar 50mg x 45
AI:
Adex
Prami
PCT:
Nolva
Prami
HCG
What I was thinking, minus the exact mg.
Week 1-4: Test E
Week 4-8/10: Tren/Var
Week 10-12: Test E
Week 3- PCT: Prami and Adex
PCT: Prami, Nolva, HCG (HCG start 2 weeks before PCT begins)
I also have 2-3 weeks of Dbol at 50mg, not home atm so I cant count how many I have exactly.
Never ran Tren before, so Im looking for advice on what dosage of Test and Tren to run. Ive heard to run Tren higher than Test, but I usually run 600mg of Test and dont think running Tren higher than that is a smart move.
Also wondering if I should start cycle with Dbol for the first few weeks then switch over to Var and Tren and finish off the last few weeks with just Test.
Whats the word gents? Thank you for taking the time to give me some advice!
Cycle History:
Pro Hormone Cycle
600mg per week of Test E
50mg per day of Dbol
Edit:
Sorry Im at work and was rushing to get the post up.
Stats:
Age: 29
Weight: 140
Height: 5'5
BF: 6-8%
Last Cycle: Test E 600mg/week for 12 weeks, 50mg Dbol ED for 5 weeks
All Compounds Used: Test Enth, Dbol, Nolva, Caber
TRT: No
Last time blood were drawn: Never
How long have you been off cycle: 3 months
What are you currently on: Nothing
Goals: Im looking to put on size, a lot of endurance and shred out.
Pre cycle I weighed 125, I topped out at 150 during cycle, my last month of cycle I couldnt train at all because I got really sick. So in 2 months I put on 25lbs. Currently sitting on 140, so I only lost 10 lbs.
I havent been training as often as I'd like and diet isnt where it normally is due to being busy IRL, but that will change here shortly when RL slows back down and I can put more focus on the gym/diet.
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I'd like to run something with the same compounds if I could get my hands on some var. Tren is some strong shit. Also listen to the advice the vets give you..
juice12345678Hey man....
You're getting a lot of heat here and that can be rough....
Here are the issues going down the line....
1) It's not the best idea to run different esters in once cycle....not the end of the world but not the best idea (i.e. test e / Tren a)
2) you can't simply use test e for 4 weeks and get off and do Tren / var only and get back on test e for 2 weeks
The test alone takes 4 - 5 weeks alone to work and 2 weeks out of the system....the Tren is faster at about 8-10 days....var is the same
So you can't bounce back and forth like that
3) Tren is notorious for CRUSHING endurance....you'll put in size but no endurance....
4) Dbol is not a good kicker for what you're looking for
5) diet and consistant exercise will render amazing results with AAS use but can't have one without the other
6) the pct's you have up are incorrect
7) I suggest you revisit the test e and Dbol you originally intended to do and so that....
8) please look up proper AI use and PCT
As far as AI, I have Adex, I had 0 gyno issues during my first cycle and never used it. I was under the impression that Prami was a viable substitute for Caber.
PCT, HCG and Nolva arent good? Only thing Id say is missing is Clomid, but Im sketched out by some of the possible sides, which is why I didnt include it, tho I havent completely ruled it out.
As far as the tren crushing endurance, I agree, but I figured I'd post anyway and was wondering if the var would help balance it out.
As I posted below, I was only planning on doing Test/Var but my buddy said he'd hook me up with Tren so I was curious what the populace thought. I know mixing 2 different esters is usually not the best idea. I already have the test e and the var, he has Tren Ace and it was offered so thats the only reason there is a difference, if it was planned I would have ran both the same ester.
As for the Dbol, I dont want the bloat/water weight which is why I opted for Var instead.
Thank you for the well thought out and constructive reply.
NO NO NO! Thats not what I meant by that as far as 2) you can't simply use test e for 4 weeks and get off and do Tren / var only and get back on test e for 2 weeks
Im running Test thru the whole cycle, starting var/tren on week 4 thru week 8 or 10. Id never come off Test mid cycle lol. My bad for wording that shitty.
Hey man I know how it is to be light and not able to put on mass easily. These guys on here know what they are talking about you should consider listening to them. I naturally sat around 118-120lbs and once I dialed in my diet I easily reached 145lbs naturally. Work on your diet, keep training hard, build a better foundation and then when you are ready to cycle again you will see much better gains
Oh I dont disagree that some people on here are worth listening to. When someone posts something thats intelligent and useful toward the posted cycle I'll be happy to listen like what juice12345678 said.
But when people come in just to make a post to up their post count and its useless, I'm just going to laugh at their "advice".
I have outside reasons that Im not going to discuss openly as to why Im not looking to bulk up. As I said, my diet and training is normally on point, if it wasnt I wouldnt have put on 25lbs in 2 months on test & dbol.
I'm not here to get into an argument. I'm just stating what I accomplished without juice just by dialing in my diet. I'm not saying you don't, but count your calories everyday for a week and see how often you are taking in the needed amount. I thought I was on point til I counted and realized I was about 1000 calories short each day
Oh Im not trying to argue with you, I fully agree with with you said
HIT THE DIET AND TRAINING SECTION BRO THATS ALL I GOTTA SAY!
LOL, yep, cause I clearly fucked that up on my first cycle.
Seriously, why bother posting if you dont add to the topic at hand.
I asked for advice on a test/tren/var cycle. Its really that simple. I'm here for advice on that. Not what your preconceived notion of what you feel I should train/eat like. Clearly you have no idea what my diet or training is like since I never posted it. Thank you for the useless comment.
Obviously were all here for the same reason, that being AAS. So instead of trolling posts, why not add something constructive to what was asked. And if you dont know shit about what was asked, dont post, easy.
You want something constructive? Ok..............HIT THE DIET AND TRAINING SECTION BUD!
You obviously need to do waaay more research. You want to
Run Tren on your Second cycle?? Look that up and youll see why its a horrible idea... Then you want to run VAR?... Var is used for a cutter...WTF ARE U GONNA CUT UP if your sitting at 140lbs?!?!..... by your stats anybody can see that your diet is WAAAY OFF POINT.
So that being said...HIT THE DIET AND TRAINING SECTION! Good luck homie. =)
I'm well aware of what var is for, endurance and lean gains. I don't want to run dbol again because I don't want the bloat/water weight.
"Anavar is great for strength and cutting purposes, but not for bulking or a lot of weight gain." "Anavar has even been used successfully in some studies to heal cutaneous wounds (7), or to improve respiratory function (18). Both of these novel properties could make it a good choice for in-season use for boxers, Mixed Martial Arts competitors, and other such athletes."
As I posted above, I'm not looking to bulk, I have reasons to not bulk for job purposes.
Again, I don't fit your preconceived shit of 200lbs natty. I have no desire to, and that's not what I'm after for reasons that I don't need to discuss here. But thanks for the diet and training section!
And for what its worth, I wasnt planning on running tren, my original cycle was test/var but my buddy has tren he isnt going to use and offered it to me, so I figured I'd ask about it here. Clearly this is just a shitfest and instead of providing advice about the listed cycle, people get their cocks in a twist based on my stats not living up to their expectations. Im not here to impress YOU, I could give a fuck less what you think my stats should be. I asked about an AAS cycle, not my training and diet regimen. By your line of thinking Im guessing being 5'5 and 185 isnt good enough either.
Lot more research needed my man.
I think its safe to say my first cycle went pretty well, considering I put on 25 in 2 months and kept 15 of it and I lost an entire month of my cycle.
Feel free to add context to "Lot more research needed my man." Thank you
Age: 29
Weight: 140
Height: 5'5
BF: 6-8%
Last Cycle:
All Compounds Used:
TRT?:
Last time blood were drawn:
How long have you been off cycle:
What are you currently on:
Hey, Bro. Can you answer the rest of these questions for me?
Updated.
Updated.
juice12345678This doesn't look good man....
It's a cluster fuck bud....
I have a feeling that you haven't run too many cycles before just given the way you're listing things above....
What are your stats and cycle history?
(I'm on the same cycle (just test p instead of test e)
Care to explain why its a cluster fuck? Just trying to understand. I dont see whats clustered about Test/Tren/Var cycle.
juice12345678Wait....you HAVE ONE CYCLE IN THE BAG?
You're not going to get advice here for that kind of cycle with only 1 cycle in the bag
What are you trying to achieve and maybe we can come up with something else to archive the goals you're looking for
whatre your stats man...age? height? weight? BF?