Test E / tren E / anavar / winny
Hi guys,
Im 26 yo, about to start my 4th cycle and in need of vets opinion on the following cycle:
Before detailing the cycle here’s a little info about me - working out 4/5 times a week (split) - and doing cardio cycle when I have races to prepare - I run half and full marathons. (Im not planning on running any long race in the next 6-8 months, I’m just saying I can do a lot of cardio if need be 
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My diet is on point, rarely eat something I didn’t prepare myself. And I mealprep all year long.
Im 6’, 200lbs, BF 14%
Cycle : 12 weeks
Test E : week 1-12 - 2x360mg /week
Tren E : week 1-12 (wondering if I should run it for less than that) 2x80mg / week
Anavar : week 1-12 - 55mg ED
Winstrol : week 4-12 - 40mg ED (wondering if I should increase the dosage to 50mg and/or decrease the length to 6 weeks instead of 8)
Arimidex - week 3-12 - 0,5mg eod
Fina - week 1-12 - 1mg/day
TUDCA - week 1-12 - 1mg ed
Fish oil - TBD
PCT
Week 14-19 : 50mg of clomid ed
Looking forward to have your input on that guys !
Thanks
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Speaking of distance running, did anyone happen to see the final times of the men and women's Boston Marathon winners? The female winner averaged a 6.1 minute mile for all 26.2 miles (2:39:52 total time) in the pouring rain and the male winner averaged a 5.18 minute mile (2:15:58 total time) for 26.2 miles in the pouring rain. I don't think that I could keep either of those paces for half of a mile. The female was just a tick below averaging 10 miles per hour and the male was well above that.
OP, if you are still following this, what is your full marathon time just out of curiosity? I did a half for charity a few years and finished just over three hours (walked a solid half of it at least).
RustyhookerThats just zoooming along. Hardcore athletic abilities
Yeah, no kidding.
This is not going to help with love handles
From what you say below... sounds like you built up the fibrous adipose tissue that remains after fatloss. Skinny fat. Its virtually impossible to remove without surgery.
Just an fyi that it might be a possibility to consider. Im only saying it because you described some great changes and then hitting the speedbump despite great diet and exercise. The point being, your fat loss goals might be unattainable with steroids. I wouldnt recommend going that route anyways.
Just a thought, thats all
If that is in fact the case, another strategy the OP could take is to blast the delts and lats to broaden his body as much as possible above the hips. Although that won't reduce the size of love handles, it will provide the visual illusion that it did due to the more dramatic taper from shoulders to waistline.
Absolutely!!!
I did just that myself lol.... but it hasnt made me happy boohoo sob sob!!!
The more muscle I put on the harder it became to run. Sounds like you are doing something that is counterproductive to your long distance running.
RustyhookerThe op is long distance runner, not a sprinter
basskiller89Is that the before and after of a proper tren cycle?
Yup... and a whole bunch of melanotan -2 as well! Lol
RustyhookerThe left pic is after. Cutter he got direct from ifbb pro online
basskiller89he must have been on that low protein crash keto diet lol
RustyhookerIve never seen a long distance runner with size. Nor needing steroids.
Last week was a badminton player....lol
I can't wait to see what is next.
basskiller89In his defense he did say he competed at national level for badminton lol
It would be kinda funny to see a jacked badminton player spike his racket into the ground and have it stick like a spear after winning a set... Just saying
basskiller89I think that's sparta rules
In all honestly I would expect more poise from a national level badminton competitor lol
I didn't know that there was such a thing as a national level badminton player prior to that post, so my expectations are nonexistent lol
I have to give it to OP, based on his responses so far he is SUBSTANTIALLY more open to advice and level headed than most of the new comers on here asking advice on crazy, poorly constructed cycles.
Babtoufragile- It sounds like you have a great base from which to build. Listen to the knowledgeable users below and take it slow. I also suggest test only. Anavar isn't going to do anything for your love handles. Trust me, the only thing that will make them go away is diet and exercise.
I know that you are big into distance running, but have you ever implemented a HIIT routine? Also, have you ever implemented fasted cardio into your mix? If not, I bet my ass that throwing either in, especially both will melt stubborn body fat off of you as long as you keep your diet in check.
+1 For being humble, respectful and accepting advice. Not very many new members posing cycles so these days it seems.
Thank you ! I’ll try to make these adjustments as well !
RustyhookerJust wondering why test only? You have seen long distance runners right?
I suggested test only because OP in (my opinion) young enough, light enough and new enough to AAS to make great gains from test only with proper diet and exercise. I have friends who are in to long distance running and I have a pretty good idea of the body type. If he were 10 years older with more lifting and cycle experience I would be inclined to suggest additional substances.
RustyhookerLong distance running strips muscle down. Youd want to be lighter when running 26 miles.
Smh....wasting breath here.
Yeah, I agree that you would certainly want to be lighter and adding mass if a committed distance runner is counter productive. I saw towards the bottom where OP mentioned that he wasn't planning on running another race for at least six to eight months so I figure it's more of a "one off" thing than something he trains for year around. Otherwise I would have questioned why he was even trying to gain
RustyhookerNo worries sir. Folks will do what they want. At least you and irishmack talked sense into him
Yeah, you are absolutely right about that. I was happy that this guy was better than 80% of the rest and was at least open to constructive criticism instead of getting butt hurt and throwing a temper tantrum.
Let me ask you a question.
Why?
Why do you want to run a cycle? The real reason.
Youre a runner so you are more than likely in decent shape, you have done 3 previous cycles and weigh 200 pounds and 14%bf. Now you want to add the new fad drug tren because clearly you think all the other cycles were failures so by adding tren you will magically gain size and drop fat.
Why? Running tren at less then 200mg a week is like getting a blowjob and telling the girl or guy if thats your thing to stop before you cum.
If running it that low to hopefully not get sides means you arent ready to begin with and to be honest tren is an advanced aas I did it once and the side effects are not worth the gains for the average gym rat.
Thanks for your answer, the reason why I wanted to try this cycle is pretty simple, I used to be really overweight, then became skinny fat, then fairly fit with a love handles problem. I started running to try and lose them, didn’t work, I started lifting and dieting religiously, it helped but didn’t really work. Then I tried test and test + anavar because i read a lot about this cycle properties.
Regarding the tren, I’m not gonna lie, I listened to a friend but I wouldn’t have decided to really go for it without posting it on a forum to have confirmation.
The first cycles were not failures, but let’s say it worked at like 40%.
I initially thought about Test E/ anavar / winstrol without the tren.
Do you think it’d be better to atteigne my goal ?
Let me tell you something, no amount of aas or winnie or anavar will burn your love handles, you need to actually train. If that is your reasoning for doing so many drugs then you will be dissappointed at the end. Its about diet manipulation to attain your goals.
Stop listening to your friends and research diets and food types. Losing weight is all about food in and food out. Your cycle is a bad idea because they are not fat burners, winnow, anavar, and tren really shine only after you are already lean, not before.
The thing is I’m thi I Im already lean, the fat that I have today is litterally concentrated on my love handles.
I’ve eating religiously, calculating macros, mealprepping since 2015 and I actually am pretty happy with the results, and it’s not a way of living I suffering from. I’m happy about doing all of it. I just want to gain lean mass this year and get muscle definition as well as a last attempt to lose the love handles.
Removing the tren from the cycle I presented, would you say it could get me the results I’m looking for ? Theoretically, dosage and length. I read that stacking 2 orals was dangerous but also that stacking anavar and winny with these dosages would actually have nice results.
I think you will be dissappointed at the end. You will get better results by counting your macros or lowering your fat intake, a simple test cycle of 500 a week for 9 weeks. Then a regular pct. For what you want to accomplish I do not reccommend what you want to do.
I get your point 200%, the thing is, i had good results (aside the love handles thing) with Test E (800mg/week) and Anavar (60mg ed) each time better than the previous one. My perfs are way better than before my first cycle and I kept most of the gains afterwards. I’m looking for another similar experience with an accent on the muscle definition, this is why I thought of adding winny for the last 6 to 8 weeks.
I understand that on the principle you think I just have to lower my calorie intake, but I can assure you o tried it all. Also I’m not trying to ignore what you’re saying. Far from it, i might have trouble expressing myself (English is not my native language) but gaining muscle mass is a big part of why i want to do this cycle too
It seems to me the most common trend to lose weight is cutting calories and I’ll take ur word for it u have trie it all. But have you ever thought of increasing calories? More specifically increase calories and increase calories burned. Distance runners are most succeptable to being skinny fat bcuz the body wants to lose the unnecessary muscle using energy and hold onto fat for survival bcuz the body knows it’s being stressed. This is what happens when calories are cut and exercise is constant or increased for a while. The body adapts. Look up ELEL and EMEM. Cycle the two.
https://www.metaboliceffect.com/the-4-fat-loss-toggles/
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/how-to-burn-stubborn-body-fat
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-mas...
The second one goes into the biochemistry of stubborn fat and is more from the actual doctor. The 3rd is by a highly respected member here that has a similar idea to prevent the fat hyperplasia.
I’m in the same boat as you (<10% BF but all is lovehandles) and looking to try to lose some while injured before a bulk. Also read this. Trying to incorporate both if possible and cycle my diet.
Thanks man I really appreciate. I just read it all it’s super interesting, i have to try that !
You are missing the point, more is not better. I never said lower your calories, I said lower your fat intake.
You cant have both, you either cut or bulk.
Just try the 500 a week for 9 weeks and watch what you eat. If you want to cut then add in cardio and do less weight more reps. Take youre daily calories and cut out 500, not all at once but cut out a little from each meal. If you ask me again about adding an oral or more then 500mg a week Im done helping you. You can achieve what you want by following my advice.
Noted, thank you for your precious help and time !
Make sure you take before and after pictures of yourself so you can see the changes you made.
That’s what I do everytime I run a cycle
thanks @IrishMack
That’s what I do everytime I do a cycle
thanks
Hi Rusty,
Im not planning on running any race in the next 6 months
RustyhookerThats just great! So, add a few pounds in order to lose it in 6months.
Pick a sport.
RustyhookerFull and half marathons
Cycle is not good in layout, theory or idea. To do marathons and need steroids is foolish.
basskiller89I had to catch my breath taking a shit this morning
I'd literally die running a marathon
Dominick77Tren and marathons....not sure if serious......
Hey,
Again, I’m not planning on running any long races in the next 6 to 8 months
Dominick77Fair enough, however, if you are an avid runner I would stay away from Tren altogether. You are 26yrs old and this will be your 4th cycle, what did your previous 3 cycle runs look like? Compounds used? 4 compounds together for your 4th cycle is a lot bro, to be quite honest. What will your 10th cycle look like if you keep on running down this road? For a 4th cycle, you should still be in the "Test Only" realm. With 4 compounds together, on your 4th cycle....this is a marathon...not a sprint....
Yes that’s exactly why I’m asking you guys
My first cycle - test E only 12 weeks
2nd - test E + anavar 12weeks (8 on anavar)
3rd - same as 2nd
Hey
Thanks for the prompt reply, I have no intention of running any race in the next 6 to 8 months. I was just stating the fact that I do a lot of cardio if need be