Test E / Tren A / Possible Oral
To start, this will be my second run with tren a. My last cycle was a low test/high tren cycle including dbol, and I started with 350mg a week of tren. I upped my dose gradually, ending with around 525 mg a week. I experimented with both EOD and ED pinning, and found ED provide me with slightly better gains, though the sides felt the same either way. The purpose of this snip-it is de-rail the likely tren hate. The only notable sides I experienced with this cycle was sleeplessness plus some acne, and I experienced those with a solo test e cycle at 500mg/week. I ended PCT heavier than I started, with the same BF, recovery was very quick, and other than more acne from the clomid, it PCT wasn't too harsh.
Stats:
Age - 25
Cycles - 4
Compounds run - Test P/E, Dbol, Tbol, Tren A
Example Cycle Idea -
Tren Test Winny HCG Adex Nolva Clomid
1 350mg 500mg 50mg
2 350mg 250mg 50mg
3 350mg 250mg 50mg 500 UI .25mg EOD
4 350mg 250mg 50mg 500 UI .25mg EOD
5 350mg 250mg 50mg 500UI .25mg EOD
6 350mg 250mg 50mg 500 UI .25mg EOD
7 350mg 125mg 50mg 500 UI .25mg EOD
8 350mg 50mg 500 UI .25mg EOD
PCT 9 .25mg 20mg 50mg
10 .25mg 20mg 50mg
11 20mg 50mg
12 20mg
*HCG will be run at 750IU ED for the 3 days leading up to the start of PCT (From the last shot of tren)
*Nolva will be run at 60mg and clomid at 150mg for the first day of PCT only
*I've already had pre-cycle bloodwork done, and will be getting on cycle blood work done at week 6 to determine whether or not to drop the oral then. I will also have the typical post cycle bloodwork done as well. The toxicity of mild old steroids is extremely exaggerated.
Now, I have a couple of reasons for considering this type of cycle. First, I'd like to see if the gains I experienced from 350mg of Tren A are significantly different than when I ran it at 525mg. For that reason, I may run the cycle as just test/tren/dbol. Second, I love the strength gains that come with tren, and I will be using this experience for future prep for PL meets. Third, I want to run a little cutter cycle to lean out a bit as I may be doing a photoshoot soon (the reason I'm considering trying winny).
I'd really like opinions on the oral selection this cycle, as well as the amount of Test E used, but all constructive criticism is welcome.
Sorry about the way the cycle itself posted in this thread. It looks fine when I attempt to edit it, but it always saves funny. I can re-write it if need be.
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Did your hair thin at all on your last cycle? I've heard guys saying the hair loss thing isn't an issue with low test and higher tren.. instead of the basic higher test + tren =o
The only hair related issue I had was an increase in facial hair when running tren. I believe the major factor in hair loss with regards to steroids comes from genetic predisposition towards it. My hair is just as thick and longer than it has ever been.
My understanding with tren when I researched it was it causes hair loss even if you don't have the genetic predisposition but will grow back.. Looking forward to trying it but not until a few more cycles at least
A very wise decision. I've never heard of temporary hair loss as a side from tren honestly, but I haven't ever been concerned with hairloss. Good luck and stay safe brother.
zewi"looking to lean out while making some modest strength gains"
I would change the whole cycle if that is what you are really looking to do.
100 testosterone propionate(can always adjust 50/75mg)
50 trenbolone ace(can always adjust 50/75mg/100)
50 masteron(can always adjust )
or
100 testosterone propionate(can always adjust )
50 NPP (can always adjust )
50 mast(can always adjust )
From what I've read, had friends experience, and experienced myself, I'm not a fan of high test/low tren. In the future I'd love to include mast into a cycle, but for now the major DHT I have on hand happens to be winny. While the leaning out is definitely something I'm looking for, with my diet in check I could accomplish that without a cycle. It's that coupled with the experience via comparison that I'd also like to acquire. After all, if I can run 350mg of tren a week rather than 525mg and achieve similar results, why push the extra mgs, right?
My selection reflects what I currently have on hand. I am definitely interested in running NPP along with test p in a very similar manner to which you have posted, but I'd like to finish off some of the gear I still have lying around before jumping back into ordering.
I appreciate your input Zewi.
zewithat’s why i said you can always adjust everyone is different. Some more test then tren others more tren then test.
I usually run 100mg tren EOD Test at 50mg EOD and I’m good to go..
just run your test/tren and winny.. make sure you have liver support
Thanks bro. I do, and I love my cranberry juice so hopefully the bloodwork will come back without a hitch if I go that route.
zewii really dont no if i want to get into this..
Thanks for your time either way then.
zewiWhat are your goals?
My wall of text did make it a pain to find anything in there, but the second before last paragraph has what I'm interested in with this cycle.
Ideally, I'm looking to lean out while making some modest strength gains. As such, I'd be eating at a 500 kcal deficit along with a high protein, moderate carb/fat diet. Carb depletion and all that jazz would be something I'd save up till the shoot.