Test E, Deca, Dbol cycle help
Hi everyone, new here so try not to bash on me too hard. I will be taking my third cycle soon. Here's my stats and planned cycle. Please give advice of this gtg:
Stats
Age: 35
Height: 5,7
Weight : 170
Flat bench: 250
Squat: 325
Shoulder press dumbells: 160
Calorie intake will be 2500-3000 of high protein and carb meals
Been training for over 14 years. Looking to gain a little size 15-20 lbs of lean muscle. Always been the smaller type dude that can hang with the bigger dudes, pound for pound that is. Here's what I got for my cycle
Week 1-4: Dbol to kickstart around 40-50mg ed
Week 1-10: Deca 500mg a week
Week 1-12 Test E 600mg a week
Pct:
Week 1-12: adex @.50mg eod
Week 14-17: nolvadex @40,40,20,20
Week 12-13: HCG @ 500iu ed for week and a half
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Here's my revised cycle. All PCT will be in liquid form. Is caber still less effective in liquid form? Please comment for suggestions.
week 1-4: Dbol 40-50mg ed
Week 1-12: Deca 300mg
Week 1-12 Test E 600mg
Pct:
Week 1-12: adex 25 e3d or aro 12.5ed
Week 1-12: [email protected] a week
Week 15-18: nolvadex 40,40,20,20
Week 15-18: Clomid 100,100,50,50
Week 8-12: HCG @ 500iu
RustyhookerSexy mexy loves deca.. This is the person to fr and chat with.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-19nor-dilemma-bring...
Oh for sure. Mex is the man
I want to run deca with my test for joint reasons. Should I just play it safe and run test e @ 600 and deca @ 300 a week.
AnonIf you're going to run deca for joint health then you would need to run that much. I believe you can get away with 300mg every 2 weeks. Don't quote me on that. But go to the top and hit the search bar. Type in a couple of key words and I'm sure you can find your answer big guy!:-)
Sorry my first Cycle was about 10 years ago when I was experimenting. Had bold qv200 and deca qv200for 10 weeks at 400mg each a week
Thank you guys for all your advice. My last cycle was 1 year ago and had used two compounds. Bold @ 400 a week and sus250 @ 500 a week, both for 10 weeks. I used Clomid and nolvadex as Pct. Experienced very little sides, acne, sore nips, etc. I wanna make sure I do this cycle at the right dosage with proper Pct, that's were your guys advice comes in handy. I want the dbol definitely to kickstart the long esters, should I save either the test or deca for a second cycle with dbol?
I though this was your third cycle not second??
OR
I meant saving one or the other for another cycle
Ok so since your last cycle was 10 years ago and this is your second cycle i would recommend that you head over to the groups section and join the beginners cycles group
I would recommend this cycle Cycle: Testosterone Enanthate + Propionate Taper
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 13-15 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
Week 3-15 Aromasin 12.5mg/EOD (increase if sides appear)
3 days after last prop shot, begin PCT.
PCT
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Preface
Ok, so this is your first cycle and you don't know what to run...do you go ambitious and add as many orals and oil compounds in as you can possibly fit or do you keep it simple and recognize that this game is a marathon, not a sprint. Well, the answer is obvious, you add one compound at a time to your cycles.......and since this is your first cycle, you should only be dealing with one compound. Why? i hear you ask..........well, lets say for example that you start your first cycle off by running 4 AAS compounds and you begin to experience side effects, how do you know which one caused it? That's why we add one compound at a time - and also to optimize our cycles - if our first cycle was testosterone enanthate only, dosed at 250mg/wk and we noted down that we felt no different, then our next cycle would be recommended as something in the region of 400mg/wk, so we can actually gain the benefits we are expecting.
Testosterone Enanthate: Test E is a long estered compound, this means that it takes approximately four weeks for sufficient hormonal levels to rise for your body to recognize the exogenous compounds. Based on a 12 week test e cycle, we are gaining an active gaining period of 8 weeks (since test e takes 4 weeks to kick in) which is ample. The reason why we aim for an active period of 8 weeks, is because this is the optimal protocol, since a period any longer than 8 weeks will usually see your gains plateau, thus the extra weeks will generally be a waste of money, while also prohibiting your chances of a quick, speedy and successful recovery during and post PCT. Since test e is a long estered compound, we dose this at 2x per week to maintain stable blood levels, which reduce the risk of sides. On the basis of a 12 week test e cycle, dosed at 500mg/wk, i split this dose into 2 injections, the first of which is administered on Monday and is dosed at 250mg and the second is dosed on Thursday, which is also at 250mg. This adhered to our 500mg/wk protocol while also helping us achieve our stable blood levels. After your last shot of testosterone enanthate, wait 15 days until you begin your PCT, since test e takes 15 days to exit your body, this method will ensure you get your value for money out of the compounds that you have paid for.
Testosterone Propionate: Prop is a great addition to majority of all cycles. It will be used in this cycle to ensure our blood levels are as stable as possible through an end-taper. Prop will be introduced after our last shot of testosterone enanthate and should be used for 2-3 weeks, where the dosages should taper off and eventually lead up to your PCT. When testosterone propionate is involved, you should wait 3 days after your last pin before you enter your PCT, this gives the compound enough time to exit your body, which means that you can get value for money out of your compounds.
I though this was your third cycle not second??
Stats
Age: 35
Height: 5,7
Weight : 170
Cycle history..........third cycle. Compounds used in the previous 2 cycles are??
Goals...........15-20 lbs of lean muscle.
If you can tell me your full cycle history i can then get on with recommending a cycle i deem to be fit and meet your goals.
AnonAnd that's because deca is a 19nor compound as well. I knew I was right about that ratio thing. I believe you talked to me about that sometime last year. This is the exact reason why I had you come over here.:-)
AnonIMO I would do something like this
Weeks 1-4 dbol 40-50mg Ed
Weeks 1-10 deca @500mg spit dosage
Weeks 1-12 testE or cyp @500mg
Pct will be standard protocol
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Caber while on cycle because deca is a 19nortestosterone compound. May want to look into caber dosages
If you're going to run HCG which I would run it the last 8 weeks of cycle and run it into your pct to help kick start the pct and not run it with pct. Here is a link that may help you with the HCG decision.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/hcg-what-is-it...
Am I reading this wrong ..... your telling him to run Deca and Test at the same dose ?
RustyhookerYou run your deca n test even? This is dudes third cycle....ai?
AnonYou can actually get away with running it even. As far as AI I didn't even think to put that in there cause I was trying to think of some links to post. Good catch. AI can be of his choice. Adex at .25 e3d or aro at 12.5 Ed he could even run the aro during his pct but cut the dosage to 6.25. I seem where he said this was his 3rd cycle but people are going to do what they are going to do. Best to try and give them the best information you am to help them along. If it was really up to me I would tell him to pick one or the other. Test and deca or test and dbol. I would prefer test and dbol. I try to tell people to add just one compound at a time. More is not always better.
I'm not saying your wrong on this man. But from my own experience its a disaster to run these compounds at the same dosage. maybe I'm just sensitive to deca. But just so I know what is the advantage to running these compounds at the same dose ?
From my encounters with hllwdbdby he said that adjusting the ratio of dosages between test and deca is useful for bulking or cutting. I have no experience with running both at the same dosage at all so my opinion doesn't count, nor does parroting info from hllwdbdby.
Gotcha. I will have to pm him about it. I know when I run a low dose of deca for joint pain it leans me out a bit. When I run a higher dose it packs on the pounds like a meat locker. If there is an advantage to running these in sync I want to know about it. I never leave deca out when Im on the bike...
RustyhookerI hear ya. Lately theres quite a few guys asking to look tight on the beach and simply need adjustments to meet goals.
X2 You can actually get away with running it even and not at the 2:1 ratio, but i have no experience with this so i can't recommend this any further.
RustyhookerFor a third cycle proposal i know you will hook him up with better options
RustyhookerYour deca is a bit high. May give you some problems. For third cycle you might drop down to a 500test/350deca is your wet bulking.
Gotta get caber.
Post up the aro pct.
So caber reduces prolactin from the deca? I will jump on Clomid as well for Pct. Thanks for the advice
Pct why no clomid? Also if this is your first time using deca you night want to lower the dose a bit. you need the ratio from deca and test to be closer to a 1:2 ratio. So either up the test to 750 or lower deca to 400. personally assuming its first deca cycle you should lower it to 400.
NEED caber I believe at .5 a week due to the deca.
Thanks will do
no problem bro. it has a nice layout. makes it easy. does the numbers in your name have anything to do with roses ?
Im not sure if you wanted it this way but you can go to submit, cycle logs....