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+ 1 Test E & Deca cycle coming to an end. A few questions.

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Stats: 34 years old. 236lbs. under 15%BF and dropping. Not 1st cycle. Good handle on eating n training. Competed bodybuilding as a teen once. Current max lifts: Deadlift 495. Bench 365. Squat 455.

Drugs:
Week 1-15 ~750mgs/week Test E (Tuesday & Friday)
Week 1-13 500 mgs/ week Deca (Tuesday & Friday)
Week 3-8 50 mgs/day Tbol (split 25mgs am & pm)
Week 3-pct 6.25 mgs/day Aromasin (tried all diff doses, noted sides, settled @ 6.25)
Week 3-pct 1 mg/week Cabaser (.5 on Tuesday & Friday before bed)
Week 10-18 500 iu/week HCG (250iu on Wednsday & Saturday)
*(anxiety went way up when I added HCG in, but is now better)

Planned pct: toremifene, clomid, aromasin (18 days after last Test E pin)

Diet
Week 1-10.5~5000 cal/day (high protein. High carb. Moderate fat).
* this was the hardest part for me. Felt bloated in my gut. Especially when I was on Tbol. Planned to eat 5000/day for 12 weeks but fell shy. Couldn't do it anymore. Stared at my oatmeal and other foods and wasn't eating it. Messed up a couple days missing meals because I couldn't put it down anymore. Did no cardio exercise, did only weightlifting 5-6 days/week. Heavy high intensity. Modified west side barbell template to include bis n tris day and more accessory/ bodybuilding lifts in there with it. Got great results (I think). Went from 218-245lbs at my heaviest.

Week 10.5-? 2700-3000 cal/day (high protein. Mostly low glycemic carbs. limit insulin response important for me. Except pre workout teaspoon of honey and some cheats sometime (holidays) Moderate, mostly good fats)
* body fat reducing really well. Went from 245lbs to 236lbs in 2 weeks. Felling no bloat at all. Added early morning cardio on empty stomach 3Xweek. Cardio feels good.

Plan to take 5 months off after this cycle. I recently have gotten some Anavar and some proviron and would like to try to harden up at the end of this cycle. If I'm gonna take 5 months off why don't I make the most out of the end of this cycle. I'm thinking of extending the Test E to 18 weeks and adding in the Anavar at 70mgs/day for 4 weeks (weeks 15-19) as well as adding proviron at 50 mgs/day for 4weeks (15-19). Then pct from middle of week 20 to week 24. Then take I guess it would be 6 months off.

My question is should I just end the TestE & Deca cycle and pct, then take 5 months off. Or extend the cycle with the Anavar and proviron, then take 6 months off. Would it be worth it to add these compounds in if I wanna get pretty good and ripped here at the end of my test&deca cycle? Are there any issues with adding these compounds in at the end of this cycle. Good idea/ bad idea? Or are there any issues that anyone notices with the way this cycle is set up. Are there any mistakes/ things you would do different. If anyone has any comments or critiques or suggestions or anything period to say please don't hold back. Any comments will be used for guidance and utilized to get better. My goal is to compete in a local npc show in summer 2015.

HllwdBdBoy's picture

why tbol wks 3-8? why not 1-6? its a slow mild compound (ususally a kicker)

JuniorHealy's picture

I made a newbie mistake of starting the cycle before all components were on hand. Got the oils first and instead of waiting for the Tbol, aroma, and Cabaser, just started up. Won't make that mistake again. Would have done it in beginning as a kick start like you said I just messed up. Learned a lot from this cycle. Kept a detailed log and noted all sides and effects of drugs I took. Thanks for your time, man. Very much appreciated. How would you end this if you were me?

ScripthookV's picture

I agree, plus I am inclined to say that 50mg's per day just is not enough considering how mild it is. Awesome pumps though.

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JuniorHealy's picture

My low back would get pumped so bad during squats. It was horrible. I had to lay on the floor with my knees up. It was great on arm days though holy hell! My arms would ache they were so pumped. But my low back pumps were not good when trying to hit my quads. And that was @50 mgs/day.

Muffins's picture

75mg of tbol is the spot.

ScripthookV's picture

Thanks bro I agree.

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JuniorHealy's picture

Thanks guys will try Tbol @75mgs/day next time. Really don't wanna come off yet. But I gotta respect the opinions of the vets on here.

ScripthookV's picture

I have done test and deca with var at end and it was okay, but the thing is you have to use a high-ish dose (100mg's/ed) from what I could tell. I vote you end it as well. Save it for later.

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JuniorHealy's picture

Thank man. You guys have no idea how much I appreciate the feedback.

Muffins's picture

Var is a nice end to a deca cycle but you don't have enough for it to be worth extending the cycle. I vote you end it.

JuniorHealy's picture

Thanks man. Preciate the feedback. How much do you think would be necessary?

Muffins's picture

I say bare minimum is 70mg for six weeks. I'd prefer 80-100mg for eight weeks.