Cycle advice
Early to mid 30's. On my 3rd cycle since getting back into bodybuilding 2.5 years ago. First was:
Wk1-16 sust 250 @ 250mgs/wk. No pct.
second cycle was:
wks 1-16: Test E- started at 500 mgs/week expirimented and took it up to 1000mgs per week and then ultimately settled on 750 mgs/week. I thought that 750 was the right number for me in terms of benefit/sides ratio. Could be wrong. Was trying to feel out what worked.
Wks 1-2 anadrol50- 75 mgs/ED. Somebody offered me these and they were supposedly 75mgs per. Only had 15 of them.
Wks 13-17 anavar- 50 mgs/ day. Just expirementing. Never used before. Heard good things. I think i had too much water retention from the test to really see hardness and veins. But i got stronger for sure.
PCT: hcg- 500 iu/day for ten days, nolva 40/30/20/10mgs ED progression over 4 weeks.
Was just expirementing and obviously there are things i did wrong. When i was into bodybuilding i was 20 (13 yrs ago) and used to just use test and precontest i used parabolin and dieting. Looked what i thought was good in my only showing (which was a very small below local level college contest) things are different now at mid thirties. I was just seeing what worked or didnt.
Setting up my next cycle and would be honored to have the members at eroids provide critique/advice. Im trying to do research like you all say. 3rd cycle so far
Wk1-12 750mg/week Test E
Wk1-12 500 mg/week Deca
Pct: hcg 500iu/day 10 days, nolva 40/30/20/10mgs/day over 4 weeks, clomid 50 mgs/ day for 2weeks 20 mgs/day for 2 weeks.
-So, if i run adrol withtest and deca what would be the estrogen control used during cycle and any comments or critique of my pct?
-If i run dbol with the test and deca what would be the estrogen control used during cycle and any comments or critique of my pct?
-Do you think running either of these orals with this cycle is not a good idea at this point?
-If there is no oral added to cycle. Would i need any on cycle estrogen control with just the test and deca. I know i need pct with this, but what about on cycle? Would adex surpress estrogen too much and thus decrease effect of test? Maybe just nolva/clomid??
Thanks for any help anybody can offer and any criticism can be taken. No thin skin here. I make mistakes but always try and improve. Any comments at all will be greatly appreciated.
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Toremifene (120/120/90/90/60/30) Clomid (100/100/100/50/50/50), depending on when your last injection ends and when your first day of PCT begins, which would be about 18 days, could be dosed like this for a 5 week PCT?
Anyone have an idea? Thank you.
Not sure!! But, I believe the Toremifene 90/60/60/30 and Clomid 100/100/50/50 would work, it just may be weak for recovery regarding the amounts of exogenous testosterone usage and dosages.
Do some research on this, so you can have current knowledge of this PCT and compounds used with it.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this. I have read your posts like 3 times. Hugely helpful. First, im gonna schedule a Pre cycle blood test. Great advice, and eventhough i dont want to, im going to make myself because i know its the proper thing to do. Youve given me a lot to research and think about. Appreciate it bro. May odin bless you with victory in your endeavors.
Well, you posted some cycle history and stats, so I can give you my theoretical viewpoints regarding your next cycle.
hCG can be used 250iu x2 per week the last 6-8 weeks of your cycle, since you have a 19-nor documented for your cycle.
Toremifene 90/60/60/30 Clomid 100/100/50/50 would be good for PCT.
Run cabergoline beginning the first week at a low dose (.125mg) every 3-4 days, and work your way up slowly to .25mg e3d, then possibly .5mg e3d if needed. And, run it three weeks into PCT. Dopamine agonists can make you feel crappy if you start out at a high dose. Usually, they are dosed one time per week.
I would increase the TEST E to 15 weeks and run your DECA 13 weeks.
Get mid-cycle labs at 7 weeks and post-cycle labs six weeks after PCT.
If you want to use a methylated oral make sure you have liver support, too. DBOL 25-50mg/day in divided doses for four weeks is sufficient.
You will need to have some exemestane (preferred AI) on hand and begin it around 3rd week at 6.25mg per day to start off with, then titrate for estrogen sides. Run it through into the first two weeks of PCT at 3.125mg.
This is just a suggestion/recommendation, so I hope some other guys can assist in helping you, too
I might have left some stuff out...lol!!
Good luck, bro.
You are going to need some bloodwork. Have you planned for bloodwork?
I haven't. But now that you mention it, sounds like the right thing to do. You think i should go before i start to get baseline? (i assume so). Do you know if i have to go through my primary care doc? Or can i just get my own bloodwork done and not have to share the results with my doc? Or maybe i should? What is your opinion?
Yes, you need some pre-cycle labs......every time you want to do a cycle.
Just like GRIMEY said, privatemdlabs.com. It is the female hormone panel (menopause panel). It will run you 59.99.
You should look into Exemestane, Cabergoline or Pramipexole, and a better PCT with Toremifene.
If you are in the US I believe it is privatemdlabs.com that eveyone used, its a female hormone panel and its about 60$ and your doctor does not have to know.
Thanks bro. Im on the site right now. Appreciate you taking the time to give me good advice and help point me in the right direction.