posted Fri, 01/02/2015 - 17:34
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Test E and Var
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Real Stats
26
5'11"
190Lbs
11.6% BF
I have ran var before but this will be my first test cycle
Lifting 3 years
Decent Diet around 2800 clean calories
Test E 250mg 2xW 1-10
Test P Taper EOD 11-13
Var 50-75mg ED 5-13
AI .5mg ED 1-13
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To complex
Timing is wrong
Your estro is going to end up in the basement
What is your pct plan
Priors, goals?
Decided to drop the Mast all together and will hold off until next run
Not only is a terrible idea due to the fact you won't be able to tell which drug is giving you sides, it's also gonna fuck up your future. A test cycle will blow you mind assuming you knkw how to eat and train. So then you wanna add mast and anavar and a prop taper to your first cycle. So what'd cycle two? Or three? 5 drugs,high doses, harsh compounds? This shits gonna get very unhealthy real quick. It's supposed to be a build up over time progression to more compounds when you aren't getting the Desired results from 1 compound. You'll never replicate th gains from yor first cycle. So you try to add more drugs to chase those gains like a drug addict. So you're gonnaa be running all kinds of shit for you future cycles. What a terrible idea.
Now let's move on to the cycle. Your layout reflects a lack of basic knowledge regarding ester clearance times and proper estrogen management. .5mg of Adex ed would crash most peoples estogen alone, then add masteron into the mix and its over. Look into the side effects or crashing estrogen, it ain't fun. Then you're dropping the test e at week 11 and running a prop taper but not dropping the mast e despite the fact they have the same ester. Do you even know when to start pct ? How was this gonna work in your head when you drop the prop and mast at week 13 and the prop clears 3 days later but it takes another 2 weeks for the mast to clear. Pct would he wortless if you started it at week 13 and if you waited till week 15 when the mast clears youre in for a bumpy ride during that two week peroid with no test.
Bottom line you need to drop this. it's all fucked up. Join beginner cycles group and do some reading on a basic test cycle. You'll regret it if you don't. These hormones are nothing to fuck around with. Make 1 mistake an you can fuck yourself up for life.
Chasing the next drug was a understandable way to put it! This was a indepth and rational way to explain so thank you.
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/test-e-test-p-mast-e-var
That was my cycle log that I was going to run: Way more indepth than blah-for 1-10 and a lot of what you said was fixed in my actual plan. However I have the mast but I think I am just going to wait until next time.
Ya I would definitely hold off on the mast until next cycle. Test will do it all. Since you've already ran var you knkw how it effects you so I see no problem with running it at the end. And it's going to be at the end of your cycle so you'll have like two months on test befoe so you'll know how the test effects you. So now look into how to get blood work near you so you you can establish a baseline of your test levels for recovery after pct and to make sure you're all healthy, mid cycle to make sure the drugs aren't effecting oyou negatively and to adjust your ai dose if you blood work reflects low or high e2, and post pct to make sure you recovered. Also look into the proper ai dose cause yours is way to high. .25mg eod would be a good starting point but also your using long esters so you can't start it to soon or you'll crash your estrogen. Still got a lot of reseach to do. Starting searching for posts in first test cycle.
From what I understand this is your first cycle? Way too much.
shorten the var length
stop the mast e 7-10 days before the last test prop shot
what is your prop taper dose specifically
Week 11 100mg EOD
Week 12 75mg EOD
Week 13 50mg EOD
Shorten the end like cut off earlier or wait a week to start
I meant to wait to start the var so it ends the day before pct.
count backwards 6 weeks from when you are going to start pct (after the test and mast have cleared) that's where to start your var.
I see below that you ran Var before. so use the same dose as the first cycle if it worked. no need to go higher if you can get away with the 50mg.
Last time I took Var I had 20mg tabs and they were expensive so I started at a low dose and got up to 60 and at 60 I felt good. This time they came in 50mg tabs and I have enough to run whatever straight through. I updated my cycle log to reflect only 6 weeks of var. thanks for the input. I like advice from physique guys and you are deff doing something right.
RustyhookerWhat's the half life of mast e ? What's your ai? What's crashed estro do?
Rework this sir
8 days, Armidex, Shutting down estro is bad,
Mast and Test is split into 2xW
RustyhookerSince mast e and test e have same half life they end at same time.
What's your pct bro? What's your priors so we can look at front loads.
Edit....First cycle? Post your real stats dude. Grrrr
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/new-cycle-advice-...
You have already been helped on this matter.
I have looked at my options done my research and made a decision.... I am going to run the mast... my question was in regards to frontloading it. There are very few forums available on frontloading mast so I am looking for info.
Lol did you go back and delete that thread to hide your tracks? This is your first cycle and were given good advice already but you have chosen to ignore it. SO that being the case my advice will fall on deaf ears so I am out. Good luck.
RustyhookerFirst cycle? Hope op posts pix and experience.
Yea that link I posted was a thread the OP started a few weeks back. He got solid advice from more then 1 member to start simple. When I called him out on it he went back and deleted the thread. He appears to just want to get a green light.
I hope he at least does some more research. This cycle is a mess.
RustyhookerCould be simpler.
I got great advice off that last post and a few PMs that were very helpful! I didnt delete to hide my tracks I didn't know I could edit a post or I would have edited that one, deleted to get rid of a repeat post.....
I fixed my PCT added a AI ( and yes I know about Estro Crashes). I have run Var before with no sides. So I am running Mast with my cycle, and so many people can be negative about it, but those who are helpful and give scientific advice rather than personal opinions, are on here. This forum is to those types of people!
When I frontload I do double dose the first three injections...on a calculator that gives peak plasma levels in 2 weeks on an enathate ester and its less pip intensive to pin 3 smaller inj. than 1 massive one.
What are your goals for this cycle? Previous cycle exp? Frontloading may not be for you if you have no exp with mast...
Thank you...
I am not going to front load.. to complicated for me...
but thank you for your input