Test E and Mast P cycle...Test higher, lower, or equal to Mast?
Hey guys I am new to the community and just looking for some added first hand insight to a proposed cycle I will be starting soon. First off here are my stats and previous cycle experience:
Stats:
Height: 5'5
Weight: 177-180
BF%- Roughly 14%
Previous Cycle experience:
I have one previous cycle under my belt which was GP Test Cypionate Only:
Weeks 1-10: Test Cyp @ 500mg a week (2 pins a week pinning every 4th day)
I used a simple Nolva and Clomid PCT that I started around 18 days after my last pin of cyp. I seemed to recover fairly quickly (3 weeks or so if that). I added around 16 lbs of quality muscle on that cycle much that I have kept over the last few years training naturally with good dieting and supplementation.
I have read up a lot on the two compounds I am looking to run for my second cycle which is Testosterone Enanthate and Masteron Propionate. Estrogen related sides on first cycle were minimal, no gyno, general bloating and some added water retention. My biggest concern is on dosages of the two, specifically if the test should be ran higher, lower, or at the same dosage as the masteron. My goals on this cycle are really to lean down fat wise and retain if not add a few more lbs of lean muscle. I have been on a calorie restricted diet around 5 weeks now and training has been consistent with added cardio in attempts to get body fat down. I know many suggest test prop but I was looking from the standpoint of using the Test just as a general normal function maybe a little added as 400mg a week is obviously above maintenance levels. Pinning does not bother me so any pinning schedule is welcome.
Here is my proposed cycle based on some research:
Cycle Length: 12 weeks
Weeks 1-12 Test E @ 400mg per week (pinning every 4th day)
Weeks 8-14 Masterone Prop at 500mg a week (pinning ED)
I have arimidex on hand for any estro sides I may see (not likely but as a cya)
PCT beginning 3-4 days after last pin of mast prop, this puts me roughly 17 days from my last pin of test E.
PCT will be clomid and nolvadex, I will also have some exemstane at this point although it will most likely not be needed.
Proposed PCT
Week 1-2
Clomid at 100mg daily
Nolvadex at 40mg daily
Weeks 3-6
Clomid 50 mg daily
Nolvadex 20mg daily
I am open to all constructive criticism and help and I appreciate any feedback given in advance. I have also thought about saving the Masterone as I have heard that its most profound effect occur in the sub-10% BF and I am currently at 14% although dieting and dropping body fat as of now naturally. Masterone and the added benefits on free test levels and the eliminated threat of any real side effects at moderate dosages is what was intriguing to me. Shoot away guys, again I appreciate the help.
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Why pin test twice a week and mast 7 days a week. Switch to test prop or mast E?
Just seems stupid to me.
Keeping costs down with my source by going test e instead of prop and went mast prop due to detection times with mast e, and as stated pinning doesn't bother me. Test is really test other then the ester attatched from my understanding and I have anti-e's handy to keep bloat and other potential estrogen sides down.
if keepin cost down comes into play you shouldnt be running a cycle period ... thats just what ive learned from my short time here... and its great you have AI's on hand ... but what what about food cost ... what about blood work ?? theres alot more that goes into a cycle then the compounds itself .... that should be the last thing you think about ... from what ive been told ... always match your esters whether it be test prop then run mast prop..... same for enanthate ... but hey thats on you buddy ... just my 2 cents
I have diet down pat as of now and have been natural for the last two years. Test is test the only difference is the esters attatched, half-lives, and detection times. Blood work can be done very readily but with this being a very very basic cycle it may not really be needed unless one just wants to know exactly where they sit. I am not running multiple compounds. And without considering what compounds you would be running, why would the other things matter? Different compounds have different effects on your body, hormone wise, cholesterol wise, prostate wise and the list goes on. I definitely feel that the compounds being ran is of most importance because they are what determines how your blood work will be effected. And most everyone likes to stay cost effective, with a compound like test you can pretty much go any route as long as you understand the esters. It may be more ideal to go with prop and prop because of pinning cycles but test is test in my opinion and some guys have go to's with that. However, I would agree that any additional compounds that are thrown in that would reach optimal levels much faster then an enanthate ester should be thrown in later in the cycle so they are not waiting for the test levels to catch up.
yea if you are gonna use test e ... then use mast e ... i would just personally match the esters ... if your gonna be pinning the mast prop ed or eod then just use test prop ... thats what i would do ... as for bloods it doesnt matter how simple the cycle is ...its good to know where you stand ... even with just masteron and test and the ai your using you could crash your estrogen... you might not even need an ai with masteron in there .... thats where bloods come into play
RustyhookerWhat's the real age?
I am 25 will be 26 in October. First cycle was at 23
RustyhookerIf it was me I'd hold the mast p. I'd go with anavar given your goals. You claim no real estro issues and water can be controlled with vitamin c. Good quality var at 50 ed split am pm 8-14. Pct following last dose of var.
Mast is nice but given the spot you're at currently, I'd keep it simple and work that diet. It's good to see another mighty midget in here! But when you get up towards a lean 200 if you're not fully up on your foods, the new mass will strip off fast. Past your natural max by 10-15 pounds isn't too hard to maintain. But as a short dude trying to hold 25 past limits is a chore.
Keep it simple. Var is highly anabolic. For me it lowers appetite, so clean food is easy. Strength gains are very impressive, pumps and recovery. A fun cycle. Easy to maintain.
Thanks a ton man, I appreciate the feedback and will look into getting some var on hand, and I will continue to diet and do cardio to get the body fat percentage down, not too far away from the 10% and under range so I know its attainable if I just stay disciplined.
RustyhookerIf you're down towards 10% you'll have a blast! Take 1 picture per week and you'll literally see your hard work morph into gains.
Good luck to ya!!
I think the var would be better than the mast p in this cycle. Don't see much benefit of the mast p in this cycle given current stats. I don't even know if I would run the var given current stats. I know there is the potential for lypolisis with var but I still think it is a mostly a polishinig compound for a lean phyique. I think some straight old test e with a super diet would be the ticket. If commitment to diet results in signifcantly lowering bodyfat, var would defininitely be useful last half of cycle then. I'd actually be inclined to kick the cycle with Tbol if hell bent on using an additional compound in the cycle to lower SHBG and free up some additional test and to also help build up some additional lean mass to help keep the metabolism revved up for remainder of cycle to help with fat loss. Several options to go here, but I don't think mast is one of them.
RustyhookerI gotta try tbol some day. It sounds like dry gains.
Kind of a patient man's oral, just like you need to be patient with EQ. the gains seem to be solid though.
RustyhookerI do enjoy patience. The pounds I finish with are easier to keep.
Thanks for the feedback man!! In all honesty I was leaning towards that as well just another straight test cycle and staying disciplined with my current diet and cardio regimen. I could pick the var up later on or just have it on hand but you guys pretty much affirmed what I have been seeing, that mast and those compounds will be much more beneficial to the physique once I have my bf% down in those ranges. I appreciate the feedback and yalls time.
Would be the route I'd follow too.
RustyhookerFirst time with var couple years ago, really surprised me.
Welcome to EROIDs...
Thanks MedDx I appreciate it!