+ 1 Test / deca cycle for strength?
Hi all,
Been reading these forums for several years but never made an account.
132kg, 6"4 31 years old. Est 25% BF possibly less.
Only just started lifting again last year from a 7 year break. 4-5 cycles of experience from previous years.
I started a 20 week Cycle in sep 23 started at 114kg finished at 134kg.
I did 600mg test Cyp / 350mg Deca / 50mg proviron I honestly grew like a freak. Deca has always been great for me. Ate everything in site and trained with extreme intensity... By the time cycle was finished I was doing 160kg flat bench for sets, 55kg dumbells on the shoulder press had to start adding plates onto the lat pull down.
No PCT onto TRT 200MG per week and this is the first time I've done TRT from a PCT and it has been unbelievably better. Initially the first 2-3 weeks I lost strength but I've actually become STRONGER over the course of the last 3 months of TRT.
Initially dropped down to about 128/129kg but it's at a stable 131kg now
I want to note I am not interested in bodybuilding, my goals are to become as big and as strong as possible I've recently started training atlas stones / viking press / overheads / carries. I LOVE IT. Weight moves weight and I'd like to get to 150kg at the end of next cycle.
I have no idea where to go for the next cycle, initially my plan was to ramp up the test to 800mg and deca to about 500mg. Probably throw in Dbol for the first 4 weeks but I can't get the idea of a faster 10 week blast like Drol / test prop / Tren ace out of my head.
Some people on here have mentioned Drol / tren / test in short consecutive bursts for strength however on orals I struggle to eat, on tren I struggle to sleep. That being said, I did 8 weeks of Tren Ace back in 2015 and the strength gains were scary. I hardened up, became vascular but if I remember I didn't really gain any real size.
I considered a 20 week cycle, first 10 weeks Sust and NPP, next 10 weeks Sust and Tren Ace.
My theory behind this is first you're building the mass, then after you're conditioning it.
Problem is, people then say drop the Test right the way down to TRT and bump the Tren up but I just don't see how you'd be able to build mass with such low doses of Test. This is done to keep dry and conditioned from what i understand and really limit water retention, neither a concern to me.
The Majority of cycles on here are bodybuilding orientated and there's very little available that I've found for somebody with goals similar to my own.
Scenario 1, ramp up the deca and eat eat eat save the tren for later.
Scenario 2, Ramp up the androgens
Thoughts greatly appreciated.
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The older I get, the more I like short runs. I think prop hits harder as well for what you want especially if you are willing to run it everyday. Even eod for 10-12 weeks along side something like npp and dbol on the front end and tale end is phenomenal.
If you are 132kg at 6'4 then that's a Big fuckin bloke!! You gained over 3 stone there just from a beginner level cycle basically. If you are looking to get into Strongman eventing and things like that, then I think as seen as you also clearly have natural monstrous genetics then longer, more sustainable and healthy cycles that are 4 to 5 months in length are going to benefit you better than short 2.5 month unhealthy Proppy trenbolone ace cycles with orals - your bloodwork will go to shit running these and you will feel breathless and rough, unfit when training strongman events that require good physical fitness. Trenbolone yes, does get you stronger than Test does at the same dose/level, but when you come off it you generally lose the strength that was earnt on it bro. It sounds to me like you would have no problem getting and keeping 150kg in bodyweight on the kind of cycle you suggested just upping the doses a little. You are also a huge bloke who can tolerate 800mg Test much better than someone who is 40kg less. Tren could also get you too strong too quick and cause a bad injury to tendons which would only hinder your progress. Another member who will be able to give you some great advice on all of this is @Catalyst
Yeah I am a lump... I have hands like shovels and size 13 feet haha. From 2010-2017 I always trained bodybuilding type stuff. I threw all that away and pushed HEAVY ass weights this cycle and went in hard on red meat and calories. Actually put more mass on this cycle that any cycle gone before.
Deca is a very powerful hormone but I don't believe people eat enough food with it or get enough sleep to really unlock its potential. I've always believed that if you could run like 900mg of Deca you would stack on plates like a freak. Problem is as we know your test needs to be double your Deca as i understand it kills off your DHT. There's not a chance I'm running 1.8g of test just for the Deca. Side effects would be through the roof. I'm not sure there are any other ways around this.
So what you're saying is, tren will be amazing for strength but when I finish the cycle those gains will be short lived and also a huge % chance for a catastrophic injury gaining strength so fast. Also I will be usless competing as I'll need to sit down for a peanut butter jam sandwich every 5 minutes, not to mention the untold damage it will be doing to my organs and blood markers will all be pinging off?
You're not a fan of Tren then I take it? Haha.
I was surprised how I retained the strength this cycle. I've always done a PCT and watched my 12 reps sets go to a 1 rep max. Watch myself get weaker and smaller by the day and almost be in tears as the depression sets in ------ none of that happened on TRT.
Yeah it is a great drug, not necessarily because of the huge amounts of muscle it builds though as its a big mixture of water, fat and muscle that it seems to slap on all at once - but also because of the way it helps your joints when lifting heavy and the pain relief it gives. It keeps the muscle more hydrated with water too so tears are less likely from dehydration and being too dry. It definitely works better the higher up you go with it, I stick with NPP which is basically the same thing and have run a gram many a time and it will definitely give you more in return that running at 500mg. Many can find the mental sides of it tough to tolerate though and are prone to prolactin sides. You don't actually need that level of Test to be able to run or tolerate it at 900mg - 3:2 works great. Its with Tren where ideally the Test needs to be double to get the best strength and size. I use to run Tren all the time mate before I got regular blood work done so I know how effective it is, but I also know the massive downsides when you come off it watching all the muscle & strength you gained on it drop off. I just think with your bodyweight there is no real need for it yet as you still have another 20kg you can add if you can eat heavily - using Trenbolone is really going the extra mile trying to add on the extra kg's to the lifts and peaking numbers in return for your health and breathing. Its bad for your Heart, Kidneys and liver and if there is another way to do things you are best going the safer route, but I also understand the allure it has nowadays as us warning people off it makes them want to try it more. I'm just giving my experience with my journey and what was worth it and what wasn't in the end.
Appreciate the advice so good input, it's exactly what I was after posting.
You reckon I can get away with 700 deca 1000 test? Obviously aromasin and probably about 1 caber each week.
I think I will pass on the Tren from what you're saying for now. Also I'm uncertain what getting to 150kg will feel like.
Given how well you respond to gear and the size you are already bud, I really don't think figures like that are at all necessary yet. I would stick with what you had planned in terms of the 500mg Deca and bumping the Test up, run the Dianabol you were thinking of doing too for 6 to 8 weeks at 30mg per day up to 40mg and I think you will do great off that lot. Just keep building on your lifts over the weeks and months and the bodyweight will naturally come along with your Squats and Deadlifts. Make sure you monitor your BP too as the big increase in BW plus running water retentive gear is going to bump your blood pressure up for sure too, keeping this down within a safe range will make training much easier and enjoyable. Telmisartan, Losartan or Ramipril are the go to choices.
I haven't responded to orals particularly well in the past I've done both Dbol and Drol so 6 weeks would be an interesting idea but I don't know if it will be possible.
The main issue is they kill my appetite DEAD eating becomes a real problem and if I'm aiming for 6k calories a day this may do more harm than good.
I've got b12 and GHRP-6 peptide on hand this cycle so I'm hoping that will help.
How would you recommend dosing the dbol throughout the day? Or 20mg morning 20mg after training? Or just 1 every 6 hours. Thanks
2nd cycle in 1 year after 7 off.....you risking injury. Run a big test provi and let those ligaments catch up after 7years away
You know what you've touched on something there,
Toward the end of the cycle it felt like everything hurt. The knees, the elbows the shoulders.
Through the TRT this has subsided though, as I suppose I have longer rest periods and the volume is a lot less.
Getting older flat sux. Especially when you love to push hard
Are you saying I'm old now? Ouch. Haha
I was expecting harsh ridicule but nothing this nasty....
So youre farting dust kinda olded?