posted Mon, 07/13/2020 - 16:03
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Test Cyp & Test E Same cycle?
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Greetings eoids Fam,
Wondering if anyone has experience mixing Test Cyp & Test E same cycle? Long story short my preferred trusted source is out if Cyp... but has E.
Plan was 650 test/wk for 12 weeks. I have enough cyp for 8 weeks at 650 or I could do 12 weeks at 400mg Cyp/ 250mg Test E. Example:
Mon/Fri 200mg Cyp (400 total)
Wed 250mg Test E
Perhaps I'm over thinking this... any advice or experiences are greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
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There is no point. They're both very similar. Some people claim Test E gives more water retention but I have never personally noticed it. The one thing I like about Test E is it is easier to find higher mg products with it. You can get 400 and 500mg Test E out there without a lot PIP. It dissolves easier than Test Cyp so less solvent is needed. Not all labs are the same though so be wary. I recently did one that kicked my ass. I would have beaten the chemist to death with a baseball bat if I ever met him.
There is a product labeled as Sustanon but its not the combination of the 4 test esters.
It is test e, test c, and test p.
I dont see a point in mixing test e with test c. Instead add test prop eod to either the test e or c.
Its a good run.
Lot of new test blends have test e and test c mixed. Never seen or heard of any negatives. Tried myself and nothing but good results.
AnonI like the ones with Ace, prop, phenlyprop and iso. Because I use a test c base anyways. Seems to work well 3x week. The AI dose does need mild adjustments I've noticed..slight change in bloating.
Based on time to peak, peak levels, and half life, they are virtually the same thing
AnonI haven't tried this.
But I have upped my Test C dose some after 8 weeks on cycle and it was a little beneficial. I have also used orals at the beginning and end of cycles. Adding an oral to the end of a cycle does a lot for me.
Here's a couple ideas:
1, Pin the C and E together. If it is Test C 200mg/ml and Test E 250mg/ml then you can add .5cc of the Test E (125mg) to 1cc of Test C (200mg) for a total of 1.5cc (325mg) of Test C/E per injection. That's 650mgs a week of Test C/E in 2 simple injections. Maybe switch to Monday morning and Thursday night for your pinning schedule too. You know how there is always a little Test left behind in the pin after you pin? combining the Test C and E in the same pin for 2 injections a week instead of 3 will reduce the amount of Test lost and save pins.
2, Run the Test C only for a while then add the Test E and up the overall weekly Test dosage for the remainder of the cycle. Do not up the overall Test dosage to something you're not sure you can handle.
Modern day barrels, even ones which you attach ‘dead low’ needles include the .1 left in the barrel after injection in the dose. So you’ll get the full dose that you pull out but there will be an extra .1 or so taken also to accommodate the left over in the barrel. This doesn’t include insulin needles/barrels.
As far as I’m aware c and e are interchangeable.
No, because I leave air in the barrel equal to the volume of the hub to push that out.
AnonI did not know I could do that. I will give it a try.
Thank you, Greg.
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AnonI do it cus I'm cheap..no way in hell I'm letting .35¢ get wasted. You can fuck right off with that reckless waste.
I've often found its 0.2ml thats left in my barrels each time with them being 6ml ones in 0.2ml increments - So each 10ml vial there's 1ml Plus being wasted! Those 'dead space' barrels are pretty good when I've been able to source them .....
The ones I use have a little dildo looking thing sticking out of the rubber. No waste.
AnonEven pins with the dildo plunger leave a little gear in the hub of the needle. The dildo plunger doesn't penetrate all the way into the hub. You know what's scary? You just know somewhere someone is saving used pins so they can draw out the last little bit in each pin...and that is a dirty recipe for infection.
Yeah out of the end of the plunger? Extremely simple but clever idea Lol
Bit like a condom ....
Molinin302Don't get any ideas big guy...
I am pre programmed I think.
Well that's what they want me to believe right?
So I really can't "get" any ideas.
They are already there
IIRC, I measured it once, I got .05 ml left unclaimed. But then I'm using 1ml insulin pins.
I honestly don't even worry about it, I've got so many vials test in the closet I could put the local Wally World to shame.
AnonThose are all I buy, rarely more than a drop in the barrel as I off set the dead space with air as Greg was saying. You can watch the bubble in the pin lock area meet up with the bubble you've left in the barrel and viola, no wasted mL's!
thanks bro! I like your idea on the 325 2Xs week mixed. Also have me thinking about switching the esters up 1/2 way through from cyp to E.... that could be an option and experience both separate to some extent... hmmm
AnonYou're welcome bro. I keep a notebook while on cycle and write down details each day: dosages, sides, weight, anything I believe is worth noting. It helps me keep track of my cycle and I can always look back on previous cycles to help me plan a new cycle or deal with an on cycle issue I have encountered before.
I highly recommend keeping cycle logs for future personal reference because we all respond differently.
I’ve interchanged them many times.
You'll be good broski. It's just a carbon ester difference. You're good to transition. Tbh, the E may even give you a slightly less watery look. Definitely overthinking, but that's wise at the end of the day.
I've heard that about the water... ill keep a close eye and see if any noticeable change. Thanks alot man!
I definitely retain less water on E.
Now yall have me thinking all E next run lol. Thanks bro.
Go for it. There isn’t a huge difference. I have a tendency to over think things as well. Last two cycles I used both and the one I’m starting I will also. Primarily because I have a prescription for cyp, which I save up for cycle and I have test E that ugls like to pass out as an incentive to reach order thresholds.
Same- always keep back cyp for the blast. After reading all the replies im looking forward to mixing the 2 now. Thanks man!
I tend to like Cyp better than E,...... but I can't remember why.
There is really no difference.
I will say all the E I've used has been UGL and almost all the Cyp has been Dr prescribed pharmacy...........
But unlike others, I would NOT mix the 2. Embrace your inner Guinea pig, experience any difference there might be instead of hiding it by mixing the 2.
Cyp is preferred by American doctors and E is preferred by European doctors. I think UGL prefer E because it holds in suspension better than C
Does it really - never knew that.
Its normally dosed at 200mg/ml, I’m not saying having 300mg/ml isn’t possible but I would be suspicious of it. A bit like 200mg/ml Tren ace.
Very similar here. Trt is all cyp. Typically add cyp from UGL when blast. Appreciate the thought man.
I've read this many a time that a lot of people experience better gains on Cyp than Enanth even though the ester is barely any different.
Effectively also the levels will have to build up all over again with the E if its a different lab as the RAW's will be ever so slightly different in nature. Food for thought Lol
thanks press! I've never taken E so it is good food for thought. Curious to mix these this run.
AlphaStrength50Shouldn't make a difference man. I'd recommend doing twice a week for steady levels.
Appreciate it bro- makes sense. I was overthinking hard. Going to mix and go 2xs week. Thank you
AnonYup, they're pretty much the same. No issues at all mixing them same cycle or swapping one for another.
Thanks bro!
Mix them together bro
Thanks bro! I'm going for it
Yes I have. Doesn’t make any difference at all. At least not to me. There is a source in here that sells a cypionate enanthate mix.
200 enanthate 100 cypionate and 50 propionate. I actually liked it better.
I only like cypionate so I can inject every five days.
Thanks bro! Just hearing that you've done so and all worked well gives me peace of mind. Appreciate it and that mix sounds legit. Ill have to check that out.