posted Mon, 01/11/2016 - 19:57
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TEST-C, DECA, TREN-E CYCLE
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I've read many discussions about this cycle and decided to go against what most people feel running Deca and Tren together, knowing I may have prolactin/gyno sides from running both. Running the cycle at lower than normal doses the first time around to see how the sides are. Anyone else ran this cycle? Any advise?
weeks 1-14 500 mgs Test-c
weeks 1-12 300 mgs Deca
weeks 1-10 300 mgs Tren E
caber on hand incase
Nolvadex and Clomid PCT
Will update results, 3 weeks in already with no sides, good strength increase and good overall feeling.
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Have you ran either tren or deca by themselves yet? If you start having some major sides and complications how are you going to know what is causing what. Maybe one gives you better gains and less sides than the other, now you won't know what is doing what. I have ran more cycles than you and still haven't ran a deca or tren cycle yet let alone both together. I think you may be over relying on the compounds when you should be more focused on your diet and training doing the work for you. If you are bulking stick with a classic bulking cycle and eat and train to get you there with a little assistance from the AAS.
All of this is probably a moot point since you have already started cycle, but maybe others will learn.
Thank you for the advise, very common sense approach, I guess at certain times I get impatient which I understand is not the way to go. It will be somewhat difficult to figure out which compound is causing negative sides if negative side effect occur. I may drop the Tren since I ran it in my last cycle but just with a different ester. Deca was a very smooth for me, It didnt do a ton but did make me become more full and rounded. I wanted to run the Deca/Tren to share my experience with all of you but don't want to negatively effect my body long term and thats the trend of feedback I've been getting from all you pro's
I am not a pro by any means but one thing I have learned is that it doesn't matter what compounds you are taking if you don't have your diet dialed in to reach your goal. I read below that your diet pretty much hasn't changed over the last couple of years. That right there is probably your problem that is holding you back and not what stack you run. Eat the same and your body will stay the same. You need to account for your increased body mass and continue to feed that excess mass or the body will go back to what it can maintain with the calories you are giving it. To continually grow you have to continually increase cals and then maintain a higher caloric intake to maintain the mass. My TDEE has increased by almost 900 cals over the last couple of years. I strongly suggest you take a hard look at your diet to make sure you can attain your goals and then maintain them.
Oh yea....Welcome to EROIDS...
Thank you, look forward to learning more and getting to know you all.
Your welcome! Makwa and Irish Mack gave good suggestions. None to less is always gonna be smarter and better, especially when AAS only represents 30% of the pie graph.
complete your stats and provide a cycle history. If this is your first cycle...stick with long ester test with a standard dose and frequency...
Post diet
Post workout
Post goal
Did u get PRECYCLE bloodwork?
I did not get pre-cycle blood work done. my first to cycles was test only , I went from 170 Lbs to a little over 200 lbs now after 4 cycles.My second cycle was deca and test but was inconsistant on the dosage so it didnt do much for me. My Third cycle I ran Test at 750 a week and primo at 400 mg a week. 4th cycle was Tren ace 75 to 100 mg EOD with test-c at 500 mg a week. Post cycle is always the same for me with Nolvadex two weeks after last Injection at 20 mgs for 2 weeks then reduced to 10 mgs a week for 2 weeks. Followed by clomid for 2 weeks at anywhere from 25 to 50 mgs depending on supply. My diet has remained pretty much the same for the last 2 years. I wake up eat a fruit salad, yogurt, 3 over easy eggs and oatmeal, Lunch is usually a salad with chicken, yogurt, and or cottage cheese. Dinner is usually the meal I have no consistency for and eat till I can't eat anymore. lol and of course 3 to 4 protein shakes per day. My goal for this cycle is to add on weight and vascularity without getting to bloated and stiff. How do you go about getting discreet blood work done? I've always been scetchy asking to get blood work and having the doctor question why my levels are the way they are.
Couple different options...privatemdlabs.com....labsmd.com....hopefully ur in an area where you can get it done...check out Catalyst's diet clinic...click link below...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
My first piece of advice to you is dropping one of the 2 19-nors your on is running, for the life of me i cant see the reason for this cycle. Whats the goal? A bulk? If you know how to eat and train a test deca cycle will do everything you want.
So youre probably not gonna listen so ill do my best to make sure you dont end up on trt for the rest of your life, although the odds are stacked against you. Start hcg NOW, keep alteast half of your HPTA functional so you atleast have a chance of recovery. Start it now and run it all the way up until 4 days before you start pct. I cant believe you would start this kinda cycle without running hcg all the way through. And if this was me id have a very aggressve pct laid out, not a typical 4 week nolva clomid pct, id go atleast 6, add a low dose aromasin for part of it. Or add another serm into the mix also.
Thank you Irongame427 for the advise and everyone else, I have very little body fat, less than 15%. My goal is to increase strength and size, I will add hcg to this cycle, I was going to add it at the start but wasent sure if it would be necessary. Thats why I posted this cycle to get advise from the people who are more experienced then myself. I've ran 3 or 4 prior cycles, all mainly cutting cycles as I did not want to gain much weight for weight class purposes. I am up a class and looking to get an edge do to being bumped up to where most have a 30-50 Lb advantage on me. If the sides do get bad and or if everyones advise is for me to drop one of the 19-nors I may. My justification to running both is running the Deca at low doses to keep a little extra weight while the tren makes me more aggressive. But if the long term damage out weighs the benefits I don't see it worth running both and will drop one of the compounds. There are many people out there that have ran this cycle without a hitch and recovered well. Please don't start insulting me, I come here for advise and your input on how I can do this better, which should help me make better choices in the future. I'll add more info as I read all your posts, my apologies for not providing enough info about myself.
Looking for an edge? Eat more. Ego lifting is for 18 year old kids who don't know any better. Drop the cycle and boost your carbs if you have to. You say you have less then 15% bf you can afford a little fat if it increases your strength without getting bitch tits. If you need aas to get stronger then you are doing it wrong.
Great post. It's not that we were trying to hammer down on you and insult you, it's just that we have a lot of these younger folk posting up these stupid cycle ideas without a base to work with. The more background information you provide the way you did in this post can help us separate the troll from the more serious poster. The fact that you were weight restricted for competition would've been a huge chunk of info right from the get go that helped us understand your stays. Keep the info coming brother.
Thanks for posting cycle history. Stick with one 19-nor. You will get great results with either one. I would opt for tren, since its your 5th cycle, but only if u have used nandrolone before. Good luck...nice post
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Maybe some nutrisystem or weight watchers for those monster gains? As everyone on here already said... No goals, no prior history, no training or diet, no mention of competition... At your stats (no mention of BF%, God help you if it's high) I'm sure this was a well warranted cycle....
Your stats from your profile
Stats
Age: 30
Height: 5'10
Weight: 198
BF:
Actually despite the reaction, guys do run tren and deca together. BUT it's an ugly recovery at best and considered a highly advanced cycle. Considering your stats, I'm assuming you don't compete? If you don't, and when I say compete I'm talking at a decent level, you've no need to do this to yourself.
lets pray the 198 is because he competes in that weight class for powerlifting at a very high level lol.
Will update results, 3 weeks in already with no sides, good strength increase and good overall feeling.
It means done , god help you two harsh 19 nor , you need tons of caber and vitamin E , and will not help , and the disaster if this third or fourth cycle for you , you take a plan for TRT forever , and shut your self down for very long time . And it's clearly you read a lot about the compounds you are using now and you didn't listen . I'll make a bet that you will come back to ask help . And here there are people really interested to help the beginners to not kill them selves . So 3 weeks in , enjoy the bad feeling soon after fourth week .
Totally agree with Tony...seems like you're running it, no matter what people will say. So, do whatever you want, but be warned, the possible sides outweigh the benefits by far.
When people are professionals or making their daily living with it, I can somehow understand if they decide to do more extreme things than others, but I don't think that you are either one of them. So why doing stuff like this?! Always go the safe route....there's absolutely no sense in increasing the risks by taking compounds or stacks which has a high risk of health issues.
So your posting this and basically saying fuck all I'm running it anyway and I'm 3 weeks in? Of course your not feeling any sides yet your only 3 weeks in...smfh. You mention nothing about cycle history or anything. At your current stats 30years old ,height 5'10 at 198 lbs what makes you think you need this cycle? You mention nothing about goals or anything. Do you also know that if you have bad side effects even if you drop shit you will have multiple weeks after that will be hell because of your ester choice? Doesn't seem like you out much thought into the pros/cons of this cycle. Are your TRT because your chances of being TRT after this cycle are highly likely and im putting that lightly , being a slave to the needle for the rest of your life , recovery from a 19 nor is tough let alone both together. You mention nothing about blood work in the past or doing pre , during and post bloods. I could go on and on about the downs of this shit but hey your a grown man and you made your decisions knowledge can be expensive sometimes.
Thanks Tony for the advise. Learning more now then all the research I did previously, Do much better learning when I can interact with other professionals. =)
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