Taking the plunge again
Hi all,
Thought I had better introduce myself properly even though I have been a member and been reading posts for ages. I am taking the plunge again into the dark side and figured I would ask for support along the way.
My history is this, I was a pretty competitive cross country mountain biker up until my early 20’s. At that time my weight was 82.5 kg at my height of 185cm and a body fat of 10-12%. At the same time I practiced various martial arts and played a bit of rugby, but no serious weight training. I started to get into weights properly through my mid 20’s and slowly got my weight up to around 90kg with my body fat always around 10-13%. As the bug took hold and the iron game played more of a part I really felt the need for an extra little boost – by this time I had been lifting seriously for 5+ years and I felt that I was ready.
I had some blood work done and discussed it with an HRT doctor when I lived in the states. He noted my test was at the lower end of normal (477ng/dl) and my IGF 1 was below normal (110 ng/dl).
Anyway I trotted off with my first cycle of test cyp, arimidex, nolva and some hcg to finish. All was good can’t remember the dose or how much I gained but it was a good surge. Disaster struck not long after and I herniated a couple of discs in my lower back, end result 6 months before I touched a weight another 6 months before I squatted. Waited another year or so and took another plunge this time – cyp, winnie, prop, var, arim, nolva and hcg – again can’t remember the doses, given to me on a bit of paper and that is long gone! Made some great gains with very few side effects, no acne, no obvious hair loss, no mood changes, no sore nipples only some ball shrinkage. If I remember I kept like 2/3 rds of my gains
Again disaster strikes down the line tore my MCL (BJJ) in one knee, patella femoral syndrome in the other and this is combined with a lack of cartilage in my right elbow which is beginning to manifest itself with pain as the welcome hello. Rested up again, lots of rehab and lost a lot of the gains. Got myself going again just as I had a partial ac joint tear (BJJ again!). It was taking ages to heal so I ran a course of IGF 1 and that really helped bring me through. Finished up my work in the USA and headed to mexico for a couple of months and I was like come on I am in mexico and can’t not do something. Only thing was I was in the middle of now-where and the only thing I could score was sustanon and some nolvadex. Ran 500mg a week for the 8 weeks I was there and did an over the counter pct when I got back to the UK. Initially I was limited to my training as I was living out in the boonies but finally moved to mainland Europe where I could start training properly again. Things were going well but the old knees were not happy the right one in particular. So this January I got the right one scoped and just started squatting about 10 weeks ago. It will never be pain free as the cartilage is all messed up but I can still go past parallel and I ain’t stopping squatting or lunging for nobody!
So here I am on the verge of taking the plunge again and this time I am determined not to get injured or go off on a 3 month trekking trip somewhere as I want to be in the best shape possible by my 40th. That’s the plan anyway.
I am currently waiting to get my blood work done as I want to know what my levels are at these days before I start.
I have outlined my proposed cycle below and of course would welcome any critique.
Test cyp – 500mg per week for 12 weeks
HCG 250iu twice per week for 12 weeks
Arimidex .5mg EOD 12 weeks
Winstrol tabs weeks 8-12 @ 40mg per day
PCT for 5 weeks to start 10-12 days after last cyp injection:
Clomid 50mg ED for 5 weeks
Nolvadex 40mg ED for first week and then 20mg for the remaining 4
Tempted to also run EQU. At 400mg per week along with the cyp or even a Dbol kickstart for the first 4 weeks, may then extend the cycle out to 14 weeks if I do. I am looking for some quality mass without getting too bloated.
Current Stats:
37 years old, currently 104kg, 185cm, 15-18% body fat.
Incline db press 42.5kg X 4
Sumo deadlift 190kg x 3
Front squat 120kg x 4
Good morning 90kg x 8
Thanks in advance for all your help/support.
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oo just saw you sai about kickstart with dbol.
how about t-bol, it will work well with the winny at the end of the cycle.
and my opinion on EQ is it needs to be ran for atleast 16 weeks @ minimum of 600mg/wk
each to tehre own tho
Guys,
Thanks for all your points.
Tread-m, yes i know it's tough to admit defeat but on the whole presently my body is doing pretty well. I have rehabed to the max and even prehabed before i started again. My back is good i have no more issues there as long as i keep doing my stretches every day. The knees, well i still have over 50% of my cartilage left and my ortho has seen worse in younger athletes so i will stick with it as long as i can.
Just ordered some neoprene knees sleeves actually, which should help. Of course i take chondro supps and i even did a short course of Alflutop not long after the op and will probably run another of those as well.
Would love to get myself some HGH at some point as i know i would probably benefit from that a great deal, hopefully next year.
Gixxa 1
Isn't the present thinking for HCG during a cycle to help preserve the boys and quicken your recovery after the cycle? From what i have read that seems to be the general consensus at the moment. However i did in the past use it at the end?
Yeah i was thinking of not starting the AI until week 2 or 3 and just going by feel and puffiness.
I like the idea of bridging with the winnie, that might be an option.
Turinabol - are you saying do it at the start or run it along side the winnie tabs at the end?
Cheers
my thoughts
Test cyp – 500mg per week for 12 weeks (ALL GOOD)
HCG 250iu twice per week for 12 weeks (YOUR SHUTTING YOUR LITTLE BOYS DOWN, SO IF YOU DONT MIND TEM SHRINKING UP, HOW BOUT SAVE THE HCG FOR BETWEEN LAST SHOT AND PCT @ 1000IU ED TO GIVE THE LITTLE ONES A KICKSTART?)
Arimidex .5mg EOD 12 weeks (START ON 3RD WEEK AT .25 EOD AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY, PUFFYNESS, ITCHINESS ETC, ESTROGEN WILL BE JUST BUILDING UP AT THE 3RD WEEK NO POINT KNOCKING THE EDGE OF IT FROM DAY 1
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Winstrol tabs weeks 8-12 @ 40mg per day (ID RUN IT WK 10-15, YOU CAN BRIDGE IT THRU TO PCT WITH NO DAMAGE DONE, TAKE LIV52 FOR LIVER. AND ID BE HAPPY TO RUN IT AT 50MG ED)
PCT for 5 weeks to start 10-12 days after last cyp injection:
(ID RUN IT 16 DAYS AFTER LAST JAB (cypionate) AT 20/20/20/10/10 AND CLOM AT 50/50/25/25/25
Sorry bout the caps my phone was playing up, take the info or leave it mate just my ideas
have a good cycle!
tread-mBrother I can't help but wonder at your age if blast and cruise incorporating hgh to go full hrt would benefit all your problems. I know your answer but for me your squat and lunge days are over and its curls and sled etc but I know thats not in your DNA..lol. i just dont know how many more set backs you can take. Cant help but think wrapping knee's and staying off the squats might have had you much further along if you were able to eliminate the set backs. Anyway sounds like thats out of the question but it might surprise you how much better off you are at cycle time having come out of cruise with your low hit of test and G if your levels are low enough to support the thought. Helps me keep my gains with very little trouble at all and I just feel more prepared for the stress of a cycle. You could still use you long igf as healing on top of it through cycle.
tread-mDP
Eric090585Looks pretty fucking good to me bro!