posted Wed, 08/15/2012 - 09:56
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T3 Lethargic
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I started my t3, eca with test and m-dien cycle last week and feel so lethargic all day long, is this normal with t3 as that's the only thing I have not run b4?
I am only at 75mcg a day split 3 x 25mcg 7am - 12.30pm - 5pm, my calorie intake is 2100 a day, I also think I am loosing my weight to quick 8lbs in 1 week. I am worried this is muscle not fat!
Does anyone have any tips or any idea's to stop me feeling so crap?
Any advise will be helpful.
Thanks
Scott.
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I have decided that Friday will be my last day on T3 as I just do not feel right, I feel sick all day long and no fat loss is worth this.
Also I am starting to think MP'S T3 isn't quite what it says it is, no I don't think it has clen in it, as I shake like a leaf on clen.
Thanks to everyone who has posted.
tread-mSo with clen and T-3 when not talking about closing for a comp or shoot etc, I always ask this. Why will you be better off once you lose on the T-3? The answer is usually, "well, if I can get rid of this excess fat I can keep it off". Not so much, not only is there the rebound effect but you can't keep off fat without T-3 that youv could not get off without it, its coming back. If you choose to change your habits to get rid of it why not change your habits for good?
Its this simple to me, everything we do is "cause and effect". If the cause of your bf reduction is T-3 then then once the cause is gone what happens? Make the cause theyr round diet and the yr round effect will be as you wish. Food should be the cause for every compound we use and outside of suppression of thyroid with hgh use etc or maybe even mild use in a closer to the stage, I don't think you are using good judgment. Once you finish up here you will likely have a suppressed TSH through negative feedback loop btw, this will give you the rebound effect given thyroid suppression post use. Once that comes you have tol dial in diet twice as hard and fighting off the old you will be tough. This goal could be met with simple elevated protein cals and carb cuts slowly getting back to a healthier diet later being the new cause for the great effect you had from proper food use.
cdaddy7lays u test as a base , in my book It's the must have foundation for any cycle. That's y we stress test e or c only for the first 3 or 4 cycles as a first timer. No compound should b used oral or not without test in my opinion. Test is like the bread of a PBJ. Would it b as good without the bread ? Some do think so but the norm don't. Be smart and don't make the mistakes I made. My first cycle at 17 was deca only and it f-ed some thing sup and added a lil gyno to my life to boot. Just lookin out for u bro. Just be wise and exercise caution when using gear. It can be ur best friend or ur worst nightmare based on how u use them
T3 should never really make you lethargic especially when you are running AAS. You might feel a little weaker but i do agree that you started too high. Not trying to hate on MP but their stuff is not g2g. I did try their aromasin, nolvedex , clen and T3 and lets just say by blood work told me it definitely did not do anything for me and I had to quickly find another source. I now only use pharma grade pct and T3. Also i think their T3 has clen in it which makes you sweaty and tired because it did that for me as well. When you are on T3 you should just feel a little warmer and you know it starts working too because your scent/ sweat starts to smell different. I personally get really hungry while on T3
I have always run T3 with all my cycles and for those who say it damages your thyroid are completely wrong. There have been studies where people have been on T3 for years and when taken off their thyroids began to normalize within weeks. I personally have ran T3 at 200mcg and I'm not saying you should go in do that but that is my sweet spot. I even ran T3 for 6 months straight and within 4 weeks my thyroid went back to normal. I did get blood work done and my thyroid tested. I luckily have a very cool doctor who knows what I'm doing. ALSO i know some people might ask if i was running T4 instead of T3 because running T4 is normal at those dosage but I assure you it was T3.
Any who I think most people will tell you not to run T3 in general and their are other options but with like everything else you just have to try it yourself. I personally dont like clen and run T3 with with N2burn fat burner and it does wonders. T3 is magical for and really helps me shed that last bit of fat. Just watch out for the rebound when you come off. I hope this helps and these are only my personal experiences with T3.
Also here are some articles i found that pretty much sum up my point.
http://www.neopharmonline.com/t3-cytomel-theories-observations.html
http://www.neopharmonline.com/t3-cytomel-bulking-cycles.html
Having personally been hospitalised with an overactive thyroid and a thyroidectomy 4 years ago as a result, my experience and my endocrinologist would disagree that it does not do long term damage to your thyroid. Whilst there couldn't necessarily be any 100% it was caused by using T3, the timing in my case was very "coincidental"
I think there will always be differing opinions, but to say "those who say it damages your thyroid are completely wrong" is a bit of a sweeping statement. As someone who has lived with the side effects for a long time, I'd hate to see others run the path that I have. I was seriously ill, had an irregular heartbeart and to be honest have never felt particularly well since.
tread-mVERY NICE POINTS! Generalizations usually mean "I didn't have trouble". It sort of reminds me of a smoker saying "I don't have cancer so these don't cause cancer". T-3 ca n be dangerous in the wrong hands , even in the right hands on occassion.
If it stops just 1 person having the problems I had Tread, I'll be a happy man.
Give me some stats please bro... i need a reason why you are dabbling with T3 age weight BF% cycle history... panic not i am not going to flame you but need this info then we can show you the errors of your ways... thanks.
Right age 32 been training on of for 10 years roids last 2 years done only bulk cycles and got carried away and put on quite a bit of fat 18%, I done eca on its own a year ago and got down to 13% body fat but lost a shed load of muscle and hated everyone saying crist you have got small, never again I told my self so now I am using test with it.
I think we all spend way to much money on gear just to waste it a way when cutting so thought I would give t3 ago. I know diet and cardio is key but I want it now if you get what I mean. I now it is wrong.
There you go bro you just answered your self! run this cycle out with a good taper like the guys have outlined and take a break from all training for a couple weeks to allow the body to regain balance...after this you should be g2g again! i only ever used T3 once for pre.comp prep never ever again bro that shit is evil.
VIKING you cant leave it there dude what happened to you? why was it evil you have left me hanging need more info lol!
And why the break for 2 weeks,to stop rebound fat?
I had to log off for sleep bro we have a massive time difference dont you know lmao!why i think its evil is this... when i came off i had zero appetite for about a month and being in a totally ripped condition just after a show this did me no good! not being able to pile in the cals when i was something like 6% BF had me with zero energy to even go to work never mind hit the gym... i started to lose hard earned muscle due to lack off food my body started to f-ing eat itself... never panicked that much ever in my life bro... i have used upto 5 grams of steroids pr wk and also ran 2 grams of parabolan and a/bombs at 150mg ED for 12wks... f-ing stupid i know but i was young and numb then! what i am trying to say is even from massive stacks i never suffer from sides until i used T3... maybe it just doesnt like me or my body dosent like it i dont know and wont be trying it again to prove the point... some folks can tolerate it well but not me bro thats my experience with T3 also it took me a good 6mths to pull back the muscle that that shit robbed from me.Only 2 compounds i will never use again one is T3 due to the reasons stated!second one is halo (halotestin) that stuff makes me so aggressive i have to stay away from people and helped to fuck up my first marriage so when compounds affect me so bad they have to be binned forever... no other way its just not worth risking shit happening twice.
lol didn't think about time difference, your experience with t3 has made up my mind for sure now.
5 GRAMS of steroids a week sh*t dude no wonder you have 3 wins under your belt, and 150mg a/bombs ED for twelve weeks do you still have a liver lol.
I would be dead happy to have your physic at 52 dude something to work towards I think.
zewicause for some--it takes away too much of your gains as you can see. that's why we use clen instead.
Clen all the way buddy
X2.
Thanks zewi NOTED I will start to go back down tomorrow and hope I have not lost to much muscle.
Is feeling sick quite normal when you hit your limit?
zewiyes.. T# is rough man watch your self. Nothing wrong with going back down to regroup.
Like i always say, understand your body listen to it.
Very good advice thank you.
My body right now is telling me to have a cold shower lol
Thanks SDM always a worry.
I started with 25mcg day 1,2,3 50mcg day 4,5, then 75mcg day 6,7. i was going to bump it up to 100 tomorrow lol maybe not.
It is MP's T3 and I am worried it maybe over dosed, cant stop sweating, its dripping of me as I speak.
How should i dose it from now on?
Thanks for your time. (cdaddy7) (zewi)
zewino don't do that...You have hit your high point 75mcg is your max, that might be has high as you can go. I would actually go back down to 50mcg or even 25mg and stay there a bit then move back up. Slower this time
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75mcg way too high mate. I'd go 25 for starters. Go careful with T3, you don't want to be left with a thyroid problem.
cdaddy7Cut that 75 dose in half or even a third and work ur way back up. Should be just fine with the tweak down
zewiLower your dose. You started to high..