posted Fri, 12/27/2013 - 08:01
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Sustanon with Test C cycle, need advice
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I recently started my second cycle. On my first cycle I used test c and test e equally because I couldn't find enough of just 1 and they are pretty much the same. This time on my test I ended up getting sustanon 250 and test c in equal amounts. I am adding deca to this cycle but my primary question is, should I use the sust first then c, or equal amounts of both? Since the sust is 250 and cyp is 200 I was thinking of running 650 to 700mg a week. I am on trt and get prescription test c so I'm fond of it but could only get a small amount. I was hoping with the mix of esters in sust it might be better to start with. Is this the right assumption?
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Oh, big thanks to vhman for explaining the deca and the nolva a little better. I would give u a thumbs up but I don't think I can yet as a new member. If I stick to test only for my 2nd cycle what do you recommend when I do add a second compound? 1 if the guys had mentioned eq.
One of the main points of sticking to one compound at a time is so you can know how your body reacts to it. When you throw additional compounds in, it's very difficult to know what's causing issues when they pop up. Also, more is NOT better. You can make great progress with test only cycles for many years and it is healthier for you as well (if run correctly). If you are able to master your diet (the most important part), you will be amazed at your results. It also depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are a body builder, who is going to compete, you will most likely going to be adding more substances, after a while. If not, you really need to learn how to get the most out of what you have. There are other, milder steroids out there, that you can add (including eq), but I would just focus on test for now and dialing in your diet and workout. You'll do great.
I thank everyone for their input. As you can see I'm new and don't have a good source of info in the real word. I was reluctant to post in any forums because while doing my research I saw alot of places where ppl were coming down hard on ppl for asking dumb questions or just not knowing. But, everyone had been helpful and I'm glad I joined and ask. Much thanks.
Also, I've read a little about ppl using nolva during cycle so help with "E" issues. What do you think about that since I have a good reliable source for it? Most said 10mg every day or eod. Im on my 1st week of the test and deca cycle. Should I just drop the deca or could I continue to run it as long as everything is good on sides and if I start to get sides I could dose nolva and then drop the deca? Or would this be a really bad idea?
Nolva is only good at blocking estrogen effects at breast tissue, but it does nothing to control overall e2 levels. You need to get aromasin if you are going to be running test over your trt levels. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and will control your overall e2 levels. Estrogen has many negative effects, besides causing gyno, so you need this type of inhibitor. Again, forget about deca (see my comment below) and just stick with the test.
should post up dosages you're taking right now
So, what AI should I be trying to get? I was under the impression that you shouldn't use an AI unless you had to because the estrogen had properties that would help with building muscle and sexual function. Ive tried researching these things but keep finding conflicting info. My Dr. gives me 200mg every 2 weeks and said all my lvls looked good. That was about 60 days ago. I didnt see it myself but she said everything was good. Are you saying not to run the deca till a later cycle or just not to run it till I get an AI? I ask 2 different ppl who were more experienced and 1 said to run test with dbol kick and deca or eq on the side. The 2nd person said test plus deca would be good for a 2nd cycle. What are you suggesting? My first cycle was almost a yr ago and it was 600mg test c and e e/week. I had great gains and not much on sides, just a little back acne.
Deca is no joke and is a 19-nor, which means it has different properties than test and different sides. If someone is telling you to run deca, because it "would be a good for a 2nd cycle", that person is irresponsible and not a friend. Did they also give you advice on what to take for prolactin control with the deca? I would stay away from Deca for a while. There is no reason you can't gain all you need off of sust or test-c or e. As for an AI, if you do go above 200 mg a week, it's possible you may need AI control. Many find aromasin a great AI, so I'd look into that.
stick with just adding 1 more compound. if you do decca make sure you get parmi or caber. also get some adex or exemestane. do some more research and keep asking questions if you're still unsure
I don't know my bf but I'd say it's pretty low. I'm wanting to bulk. Please don't hit me to hard on my AI, I only have erase pro. The over the counter stuff but, I've got nolva on hand. Ive read that you can you use low doses of nolva during cycle and have considered it. I just don't have a good source for AI's. Thats why I bought the erase pro from GNC but, I've heard some others say its ok. Ive got sust 250, test c 200, and deca 200. Then I have nolva and erase pro. How would you dose everything if you were me.
AnonWell honestly u should stick with the test c for now until u get some legit AI on hand. I've run cyp and sust together for the same reason. TRT Watson cyp is too good to not use it. So I always had my TRT dose of cyp 200mg a wk as a base and ran the sust MWF. Obviously ur on TRT but u should wait a bit cycle wise before doing what ur talking about doing and u need ancillaries on hand for emergencies at the very least. Have u done any blood work lately?
Stats: Age: 35
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 200
BF: ?
What are your goals here? What are you using as an AI?