Thanks fellas. A lot of helpful info. Appreciated

Im not trying to stir up a shit storm but during my research into sust i think i read a post where Viking talked about pinning sust every day. If i remember correctly he didn't go into much detail about it, probably something that would be better discussed in the advanced cycles group.

Lately, I've been seeing several members (particularly some newer members), who, in their enthusiasm for the board have been going around shouting at people that it is a absolute necessity to inject sustanon EOD. Their reasoning, while seemingly logical, but largely parroted, is that sust must be injected more frequently to "take advantage" of the short ester it contains, namely, prop.

Hopefully this thread will serve as a corrective to that mistaken notion.

First, let's remember that sust was originally designed (yes, designed, ie, created for a specific purpose) for HRT/TRT patients, where the propionate ester in sust would provides a quick burst, while the long and medium esters release throughout the week.

Next, a quick glance at the chemical composition of sust:

30 mg prop, 60 mg isocaproate, 60 mg phenylpropionate, and 100 mg decanoate. The total of which is 250mg.

Now, as we already know, release rate of the ester is determined by its weight (ie, the number of carbons in the ester). In the case of sust this is:

prop: 3, iso: 6, phenyl:9, and deca : 10.

So, the decanote ester is a pretty heavy ester and it makes up 100mg of sust with phenyl and iso close behind, which tells us, if it's not already clear, that injecting twice a week is quite satisfactory for sust.

If someone still isn't convinced, and wants to further press the issue by arguing again that the prop ester won't be "fully utilized" or it will be "wasted", I would refer them again to the structure of sust. Since the prop and phenyprop ester release in sust not separately, but concomitantly, their release for the first four days is strikingly similar to a sinlge ester test (again, making twice a week injection ideal for BB purposes!). And again, this is precisely why sust was originally designed the way it is.

The conclusion is that the argument for shooting sust EOD or ED because of the prop ester is actually just incorrect. Sust was designed to be injected once a week, twice a week is quite fitting for a BB, but EOD is simply a preference.

Be safe and happy growing:.. This is just one that I could find...like I said..not sure if saying a study was correct..more like opinions. But it does make sense.

I've read so many different opinions and studies on how to pin sus...recently there has been a few "studies"..or opinions I should say..that sus should in fact only be pinned 1 time per week. Now Im not going to try and find all the articles to support that claim...but I'm sure some of you have read them. I too would really like to know the "best" way..I think it comes down to which way works best for you. One way your taking advantage of the shorter acting esters...where as pinning once a week u would be relying on the longer. Its a tricky one...I will say I've read some pretty convincing studies on sus being pinned once every week.

i come from the belief that the more often you pin the better. i pin enanthate EOD, prop ED ect. i have no problem pinning everyday so thats what id do with sust but the only sust id personally run comes in amps and running 1750mg/week is a bit excessive for me at this stage so id just back down to EOD and keep it at 875mg. just my .02

Eod. Keep the peaks and valleys minimal. Ed day is optimal with lower doses but who wants to pin every day? Keep it simple, watch for sides the pop from the shorts sneaks up on people prone to gyno. Good luck bro, oh the tren, meh, maybe save it for the next run after you have a really good handle on the sus. Just my humble opinion

I run Sust at 3 times per week. Mon, Wed, Fri. Keeps it pretty even in blood I think.

Jinto just nailed the pinning point in my opinion. I like to keep blood levels as stable as possible and there are so many different sust blends out there with all of the ugl's these days you need to know exactly which esters are in there and at what doses. I would do a true eod if I were you but that is just my personal preference. I'm typically a short esters guy anyway and don't mind pinning.

I don't have any experience with tren E, only tren ace so I am going to let the more experienced guys take the stage there. Just wanted to give my $. 02 on the sust since I have a good deal of experience there.

Happy Easter everyone

Looks like you're going to pin 3 times a week which is probably better from a scientific standpoint dealing with the short esters, But with my personal experience I pinned it twice a week my first cycle on it and 3 times a week my second and I noticed no difference at all.

Sustanon is by far my favorite. Tried others and always come back to back to Sust. 3x a week for me.

To be honest the best way to pin sust is daily, eod is fine also. Remembering the half life of an esther is key to stable blood levels, test prop works at its supreme daily. As for starting tren e week and running 6 weeks, I dont like that idea, it would not be a cyclevwith full potential. If you want to lay out your full propsed cycle including your ai pct etc we can try and tweek something, need some stats aswell.

The reason that some people mention taking sust eod is the fact that its a mix of 4 blends of both fast acting and slow acting esters, so that you don't get peaks and troffs with your test levels it's best to inject eod as this will keep the fast acting ester levels stable within your blood which will help prevent feeling like crap if you hit a low point.....Well this is the method of it anyway and I find for myself it works well.
The Tren E is again a slow acting ester and will start to take effect from around 3 weeks after the first injection, so it may be worth starting this at the same time as the sust so that they both work in harmony with each other.
How long are you running the sust for?? 12 weeks I would say and the Tren for no longer than 10 weeks.