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Hello,
i´m planing a cylce to get in shape for the summer.

250mg Test E / w 1-20 Week
200mg Mast E / w 1-8 Week
200mg Tren E / w 1-8 Week
500mg EQ / w 1-20 Week

So what are your thoughts on that?

Edit: Maybe the word shape is not the right word to describe what i try to accomplish.
Recomposition is a better word but i don´t do that cycle.

felony's picture

I'm planning a cycle to get in shape for the summer.
That's not a reason to cycle and not with all those compounds.

JohnnyP's picture

If i chose to use tren how low can i go to have as little sides as possible? Im thinking about 250mg Test/week and 100 tren/week and then up the dose if the sides are not to crazy.

shredski's picture

I don't have any experience with long ester tren but I enjoyed 8 weeks test p 50ed and tren a 50ed little to no sides just a little trensomnia

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Eagles 2013's picture

No way to know honestly. Some people get them, some don't. Sometimes they come, sometimes they don't. Any time you use tren assume all of the bad sides will come and prepare accordingly. That way your not caught off guard.

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giardap's picture

I cant see the point in cutting tren e so early.... just when the real lypolisis starts
Cant see a benefit in mast until after the fat loss from the trenbaloney from 14% which is probably 17-19 in reality... probably
And you finish september or so right? More Autumn! So then diet, even though you refused to engage in talking about it, truly is going to be a helluva important point considering you are banging on about a summer cycle...

Why not simplify and focus on lypolisis (you mentioned cutting)?

JohnnyP's picture

Yeah i think i change my diet, lose a few pounds of fat and than bulk again. Maybe do keto again to go in full fatburning mode. Im not lean enough and not muscular enough to get the most out of these compounds.

giardap's picture

Well keto i love and it would have your insulin sensitivity primed big style. Its also a fantastic way to cut in general but you would see lean gains (a small amount) on a keto diet too
(Food for thought!!!)

Eagles 2013's picture

I agree. To aid in the results that OP is looking for I would extend the tren and move it to start mid cycle and end with cycle, put the mast on the end, and have started it about three months ago. The way it is drawn up this is more of a labor day weekend prep cycle than a summer prep strategy.

Very similar to all of the people flooding my gym in recent months to "get ready for Summer"

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giardap's picture

Yeah haha the january crew with their new annual memberships that disappear until April when summer shame starts kicking on early lol

Eagles 2013's picture

I actually put a reminder in my phone last night that will go off the first week of September reminding me to put together a "Summer prep starts now" forum and laying out how to properly plan and execute a winter bulk and then transition that into a healthy, progressive cut going into summer, as opposed to the weekend warrior's "Fuck me it's almost Summer!" sprint

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Eagles 2013's picture

Haha yep, it never fails.

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PPGfreak's picture

Honestly, your cycle doesn’t make any sense. And according to your height and weight you shouldn’t be cutting anyways. Then on top of that, I’m not trying to insult you but the last thing you do is take steroids to get in shape. You take them after you’re already in extremely good shape and you can’t grow anymore.

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Eagles 2013's picture

"Planning a cycle to get in shape"... Just know that they cycle won't get you in shape. Hard work, diet and dedication will.

Can you provide more info? Stats, prior, goals? This is a rather aggressive cycle so I am assuming that you have been in the game for a while?

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shredski's picture

What cycle experience do you have? Which of these compounds have you ran before?

I see you're on trt from post below. But why run long ester for a cut?

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JohnnyP's picture

I´ve ran Test, Deca, EQ, Dbol and Injectable Winstrol wich i quit after a few Pins because it hurts like hell.
Why not run long ester for a cut? It just enters and Exits your System slower. But maybe i just do EQ and Test.I have the other gear sitting around so I thought can i do a good Cutting cycle with that.

shredski's picture

I was just wondering, I've ran a test only cut with enth and got good results but I find short esters way better cause little to no water retention. But I would advise against the proposed cycle. Test/eq will be good enough. Best advice I got on here was to never run more than one new compound on a cycle because if you run into sides then you won't know which compound is the culprit. And tren is definitely not a compound you want to start with long ester. Some people don't get sides some get mild or some will never touch it again after the sides. So you would much rather short esters which sides would clear in a few days compared to few weeks

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KMC's picture

So 5 friends,..... 4 are source's, ..... and 1 is 21 years old.

Birds of a feather??

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JohnnyP's picture

Sorry i dont get that my native language is not English

JohnnyP's picture

I have Tattoos so i dont want to show any pix

JohnnyP's picture

Im 33 years old. Am i Smart i dont know i let other people decide.

stairmaster's picture

Height: 184cm/6ft
Weight: 104kg/229lb

You really need Tren, I don't think so...

8 weeks Tren E and Mast E? Why?
6weeks Ace and Prop would be enough but again you don't need it!
Better u double up your Test dosage!

And don't forget to plan a good PCT!

JohnnyP's picture

I dont pct. I had low test before using aas so im on trt when im not blasting.
Test Tren and Mast is a typical cutting Stack where i come from but you´re probably right with the Tren. Enanthate to Keep bloodlevels stable without injekting ed and get lower sides.

ChickenBirdOfGains's picture

I think Masterone should be saved for when your body fat percentage is down to the single-digits. This is too many compounds in my opinion. You don't need AAS "to get in shape" it's far better to get in shape naturally, then used AAS to go above and beyond the limit of your natural potential. How many daily calories are you eating?

How many cycles have you done?

The Impastable's picture

What body fat % are you? What is your diet like right now, and how are you changing it to reach your goals.

You should know by now that running long esters for 8 weeks only kind of negates the point of running long Esters....

JohnnyP's picture

My bf is about 14%. I eat about 230g Protein, 440g carbs and 90g fat. I dont believe you should eat less to lose weight just up the cardio. if that does nothing maybe go down 200 calories. At least that is how it works for me.

The Impastable's picture

You don’t have to lower your intake to lose weight if you up the cardio. Different approach to it. What you would have to do is change the quality of what you eat.

You’re thinking drugs first, diet second. Your first order of business should always be to figure out where your diet needs to be to get you to your goals. In your case you dropping carbs and subbing in more protein and fats would already do wonders for you even at the same total consumption, and all that without a single injection.

JohnnyP's picture

I never said that i Need drugs to get lean. I watched my diet Long before considering aas. I appreciate that you guys are trying to help everybody to get to there Goal even if they are choosing the wrong route but my question was about the stack not diet related.

The Impastable's picture

And that’s fair if that’s the only info you’re looking for. however, eRoids doesn’t view those as mutually exclusive. On here we don’t simply co-sign cycles, we look at the entire picture to help. If that doesn’t work for you, then by all means good luck with finding what you need in terms of just cycle advice.

House's picture

Thats alot of gear. God dam. Will mast e even do anything at that dose?

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stairmaster's picture

Good statement!

Makwa's picture

My first thought is you don't run a cycle to get into shape. You run a cycle once you are in shape.

Need a lot more info, especially prior cycles. Are you familiar with 19-nors? What do you have planned for diet? Putting up a recent pic would help.

stairmaster's picture

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JohnnyP's picture

I´m pretty much in shape. I just want a dryer and harder look. I´ve ran deca before but this would be the first tren cycle.
I would Change my diet if it Needs to be changed. Now i have a pretty fast metabolism and it is quiet hard for me to eat all the clean Food my Body needs.

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