suggestions welcomed
Hey everyone, I'm fairly new on here, usually just read but this time I'd like to hear back from a few of you experienced cats on here. I'm mostly just trying to learn more about putting together productive cycles. I have some experience... Meaning I've ran a few cycles before over the past so many years and I'm trying to learn as much as I can before jumping into my next.
Stats
32 years old
6 foot 185 lbs
1st cycle was years ago.
Ran dbol and Test, I don't recall the dosage
Gains were big, fast and wet. Jumped about 25 lbs in 8 weeks
2nd was about two years ago
EQ 200mg week
test 100mg week
Gains were moderate to slow and dry. Gained about 15 lbs in 12 weeks
3rd was last summer
Sust 300mg week 1-12
mast 200mg week 1-12
Winny 50mg ED weeks 9-14
Directly into pct of nolva and clomid
Gains were Moderate, Gained about 17 lbs at peak.
I'm looking to run a cycle for summer, been leaning towards Test P and trying to decide what to stack it with, and for what length. Should I kick start with some orals using prop or is that counter productive? would it be better to use a longer ester test and either start and or finnish with prop? Also what compounds would go good with test prop if I'm looking to gain dry mass?
Any suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.
Thanks.
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tread-mWhere you are in cycle history and for stated goal I hit a prop 150 eod for 8 weeks with var 40 split ed for the first 4 and 80 split for the last 4. Very clean smooth summer cycle and dialed in right with carbs in the proper place very very productive and simple. Break the prop down to ed at hald dose and bring the AI in at half tab eod if breaking out occurs. no reason to get complicated given the sort of goals and patience you have. This is all carbs and clean protein brother. Short cycle gets you in and out and ready for another quicker. Prop is a "kicker" or "jumpstart" so no as to a jumpstart to the cycle. this cycle is raising free test blood plasma levls in 8 hours so theres you kick.
Thanks for the advice, I knew you guys would help out. In your opinion do you think it would be more productive or more counterproductive to stack another oil with the prop?
tread-mMore productive if its the right compound to goal and diet is squared and again."carb work". Carbs rule the goal brother. They determone success and degree of success and yes you need the other components in the diet but carbs run the show. If you want success you learn that now if you don't know already. Every single goal is altered with carb work, good carb work= good results and bad/bad results. More to it obviously but carb experience to a goal is extremely important in bulking or cutting or maintaining. Another oil however is not at all necessary to achieve here. Diet right and this little short blows you away in success and then you're off for 12 weeks total and can get right back in.
AnonProp and some tren ace and var somewhere in cycle to.if your trying to stay lean. But then again man I'm just a new guy too. Lol. Sounds good to me though
He as only done 3 cycles and you are telling him to use tren ace!
We dont work like that around here,keep reading and learning man before YOU take the wrong road.
Notice i havnt down voted you THIS TIME!!!
AnonGot ya
No probs bro i am here to help everybody stay safe bro
AnonAnd I appreciate that
dbolzSince you need to put some clean weight on i would go with something like this
Week 1-8 Tprop 150mg eod (m,w,f,s)
Week 1-8 NPP 100mg eod
Week 2-8 Tbol 70mg ed
Week 9-13 pct
The choice of oral is yours depending how wet you want to keep it or how dry
If you want to go the long ester route just run a simple test, deca, tbol cycle
Week 1-12 Test e 500mg
Week 1-11 Deca 300mg
Week 1-5 Tbol 70mg
Week 12-14 Tprop 100mg eod
Week 15-19 pct
I would use aromasin in both cycles starting from 12.5mg eod and adjusting from there also you need to source some caber and if you get any issues with your libido run it at 0,25mg e3d. Both cycles can leave you fairly dry depending on your diet ofcourse.
Thanks for the advice dbolz, sounds like you know your shit. Im going to do some more research based on your recomendations, much appreciated!!!
dbolzI am sure others will chip in as well, till then have a look in the diet forums there is tonnes of valuable info there. Food will dictate your results so best do some planning in that area as well. Good luck with whatever you do mate
I'll take a look at that as well, and thanks again. I will be doing my hw and get back in to dicsuss.