posted Thu, 07/23/2015 - 01:44
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Strength cycle advice
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Hey all, new to this forum and looking for a little advice on my next cycle instead of winging it. This would be about my 5th cycle over 10 years. First two cycles had no idea what I was doing and did oral only. Anyway, I'm 32 5'9 and 200 probably around 15%. Been lifting off and on 10 years. I'm looking to gain strength without gaining more than about 10 lbs. What I have is sustanon, tren e, halotestin, d-bol, and superdrol. I have nolvadex, clomid, letrto and aromasin. Thinking about trying the halo with the sust. And tren. Any expert advice on a good 12 week cycle would be greatly appreciated. Other cycles were test e only, test e and Dbol, test e and winny, and like I said 2 oral only (adrol, dbol).
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Is 400mg tren a week, with 300 mg sust a week a good mix?. I know the rule of thumb is run more tren than test.
if your going the high tren low test route id lower your test even lower. trt doses is all thats needed. 250mg/week max. i usually like ~200mg, plenty of test to keep everything working and conversion to estrogen without needing an ai
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Holy Hell bro your 252 with 10% bf? Can you wipe? Lol
I used to bench more than I squatted solely because in my twenties I went for the jail house body and only worked upper body. I now squat 380 and bench 315-320. Which I understand is still pathetic. I do legs 2-3 times per week now. Usually alternating squats one day, deadlifts/leg press the next. I like strength because I use it. Everyday! At work when they say go get a loader to move this piece of equipment, i say I'll just move it myself it'll save time. Plus maybe being short I have the little man's syndrome?? Lol
You're not that short - 5-9. I don't think it affects you at that height ;)
Lol short enough. Maybe because I work with dudes that are 6'-6'4" that are 250. I can move more weight around so it helps my manhood.
I have always plateued around 300 on bench until my last cycle. I only squatted 250 before my last cycle as well. I change my workouts up every 6-8 weeks.
I can never understand how some of you guys can bench more than you squat. Be honest, skip leg days here and there? I know a lot do, quad training Is tough. When I do PT work in my gym very few make it through a quad workout without waving the white flag.
Squatting and deadlifting build strength like no other exercise. If the goal here is purely strength gains, concentrate your efforts here. Your frame will respond in other areas.
Out of curiosity why is this cycle all about strength gains?
I meant grams of protein and carbs not mg. That wouldnt be very much
Kodiakgrrl thanks for your input. Like I stated I do not want to gain more than 10 lbs. Once I get around 215 I can't itch my back or take shirts off and it makes me look shorter than I already am. As far as 5×5 that is what I do now. Squats, DLs, bench, overhead press and rows. Stronglifts 5×5. I'm pretty much plateued. I am able to keep gains fairly well without really knowing what the hell I've been doing. Anyways here is what I would probably run on my own without advice:
Wk 1-12 sustanon 150mg x2 week
Wk 1-4. Halotestin 20mg ed
Wk 4-12 tren e 200 mg x2 week
Am 1-12 aromasin 12.5mg eod
I don't believe in more is better. I had good luck with only 400-500mg test e.
Haven't thought up pct. But I do have nolva., clomid, letro. I won't start the cycle for another 2 weeks.
3500 Calories
300 mg protein
400 mg carbs
It's a rough draft as I stated but let me know what you think.
thats not enough food ... I eat more than that to maintain my weight about 225-227 off cycle
You may run into some issues with the tren dosages but i never did like putting together a cycle because I have x,y,and z on hand. I put together cycles based on what I am trying to accomplish .. tren has always been about "looks" not cycling for strength. But powerlifting we don't generally give a leap about fancy stuff we stick to what works.. test, nandrolone, anvar, anadrol...
Thanks for your input. You think I should eat more? I'm not trying to bulk up much. I don't like wearing xxl shirts that hang to my knees. Lol
I didn't put this cycle together based on what I had. It was based on other juice heads opinions. They told me tren will make you an animal while not gaining any weight. I was told that halotesin is the strongest steroid for strength gains without the bloat. I've done anadrol and dbol and I pack on weight like crazy. I would put 15 lbs of bloat on in a month. I tried winny and it made me strong as an ox suprisingly. However, it got to the point where it felt like my arms were going to snap at the elbow. Took fish oils and all that. I've actually been staging this cycle for a couple months. Like I said it was based on other people's input as to my goal. Gain strength while tightening up a little. I know that this forum has the most experienced and educated bros. I want to make sure the cycle is actually worth it.
If you have plateaued then you need to change your training up ...
You also need to do stretching/yoga etc ... makes a world of difference ..
your training is going to be more important than what you end up using to cycle. peds are tools to add to the arsenal training is going to dictate strenght gains that are kept. keep in mind size is not an indicator of strength .. some of the skinniest people I know put 'buff' people to shame ...
If you are looking for long-term strength gains that are sustainable after cycle you are going to have to focus on building quality lean body mass, otherwise your strength gains will only last while on cycle. The other thing you will have to do is focus your training around strength based concepts (such as 5x5 training) and not so much hypertrophy based concepts. Adjusting your training to match your goal will give you boosts in sustainable strength gains.
Gearhead, by rip it apart I mean constructive criticism. I understand completely about losing strength as I have experienced with dbol and adrol. Trying to find a good balance. I have a decent base to work with. To average people I'm a beast, to you guys however I would be a p*ssy lol. I work in the oilfield which requires ungodly amounts of strength sometimes. This is mostly what I'm using "peds" for. Currently max bench roughly 320, squat 380 (pathetic I know), DL 450+/-. Trying to get to 4,5,6 if you know what I mean. I'm at work now so like I said I'll put a rough stat together and any bro advice is greatly appreciated.
Bro, I'm not gonna rip nothing up. I do want you to think about something that's maybe not obvious here. When anabolic steroids are used to significantly drive up strength levels such as when power lifters prep for meets, the gains are not long lasting. When you add more muscle tissue (a much slower process) the strength gains are much more lasting. You could use halo and cheque drops (both are practically poisonous they are so toxic) and if you have a lot of muscle base you will get some rapid strength gains but not lasting ones.
that statement is open for debate we train all year power cycling and cycling gear for lasting strength gains.. no one wants to keep repeating the training and cycles just for a meet. Or maybe some people do but I don't believe in building the house every time I want to go inside to get out of the sun. Lasting gains come from knowing HOW to train for strength .. peds assist in the training .... I have yet to lose any significant amounts of strength coming off cycle because I cycle my training to coincide with being on .... strength will always peak and decline somewhat especially when you are pushing past plateaus. This all about training and then maintenance ..... once again peds are a tool not the vehicle.
Point well taken. I chose a poor example and I still may be wrong. Personally, compounds like cheque drops have been great cns stimulants in augmenting muscle contraction increasing aggression and producing more power. I can't honestly say that I have ever maintained long term strength gains from compounds like mibolerone and halotestin and as you point out it could be I need to train differently to get long term gains from those kinds of compounds.
training for strength/power is a whole different animal .... we don't care about pumps, we don't train arms or any muscle group that is unnecessary and will detract from a lift .. everything is done for the purpose of being stronger, powerlifting is a sport where size doesn't matter.
I really don't understand how this make since. So if I'm training for strength or power my triceps or biceps aren't utilized? One of the only lifts I can think of where they aren't necessary is the snatch. But still you need tris to keep your arms extended.
They are utilized during compound movements for excample training just biceps is going to burn them out and seriously detract from you bench etc... big arms and that kind of muscle isolation is unnecessary .. people hit arms because they want nice big arms they want the looks ..
So you have experience with halo? How much did you take? How long? Did you lose 100% of gains or are you saying like 50%?
Bro, I only use halo in comp prep for BB - I have played around with it but you r talking about like 4 weeks at 30 mg / day roughly. It's a polishing compound - almost a pure DHT androgen that produces a grainy look to the muscles. I don't think this is what you want it for LOL I don't structure my use of halo for sustainable strength gains at all . . .
Make since why most people use it the last 3 weeks of a cycle. So the come off in beast mode. I was just hoping to jumpstart my cycle with it and overlap it one week with tren e and not have a drop off. Oh well. You think superdrol would be better option?
How many of these compounds have you already used???
I'll get a cycle worked up and let you guys rip it apart haha. It's so difficult with all these conflicting opinions. Like tren is the best, no tren is the worst. Halo gives you best strength, no halo has worst sides etc etc. As for dbol and test I bloat rather quickly, easily 15 lbs in 4-6 weeks. I get bad estro sides as well probably due to my ignorant oral cycles in my 20s. I'll post a cycle later and let me know. I really appreciate it.
ive got some good ideas, layout your proposal mate, ad as you said, ill be happy to help rip it apart lol.
how did you go with your other cycles? how did you respond to winny? dbol? does the test tend to bloat you? have you ran tren before? what about superdrol? have you used that?
Tronput a cycle together yourself including work out plan and nutrition plan. Post it and we shall critique it at that point.